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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 11:57 PM
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Jack it's starting to look like maybe you have taken the baton from Habibi while he is on his respite!

On Rick Perry's deal, like mentioned earlier he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. My personal take is he is doing the right thing here but is going to take a whipping for it. This is nothing more than a death by media sentence and I'm sure you will see many more attempts at lynching him. After all the MSM has to do their part in protecting the thrown for the annointed one. Kind of like the old question.....Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Media politics plain and simple, as evidenced by the way you have brought it up here. The slant by the press is clear. Could have been Perry will be unable to attend......instead of PERRY "BACKS OUT". Words have meaning and power in how they are used.
Exactly. Interesting title, to say the least.

One doesn't even need to read the article (I did, though) to know what the author's views are.


Having said that, my personal opinion of Perry is that he is a semi-RINO. If he wins the nomination, it will just be another repeat of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
Exactly. Interesting title, to say the least.

One doesn't even need to read the article (I did, though) to know what the author's views are.


Having said that, my personal opinion of Perry is that he is a semi-RINO. If he wins the nomination, it will just be another repeat of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
I'm still waiting for a response to my "challenge". I suspect it will not be answered, so, I'll simply ask another question. Frank, what in Perry do you see as "RINO"?

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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 12:18 AM
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According to the Washington Examiner's Byron York, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), who will present candidates with questions at the event, called Perry's change of plans "a big disappointment to me."
ABC News reports that the Texas governor still intends to participate in Wednesday's presidential debate in California.

UPDATE: DeMint tells ABC News of Perry's last-minute change of plans, "He has to make his own decision, but certainly we are disappointed."
Jack though you are technicaly correct that they didn't directly admonish Perry for not attending, they sowed the seeds to create a sense of dis-unity in the Republican party. This is the "shady" part of reporting and the "have you stopped beating your wife yet" tactic at work. By using a few "big shot" republican names that are "disappointed" with Rick Perry alot of slow thinkers can easily draw the wrong conclusion and "read" things into the report. (The big guys in the party don't like Perry-that's good enough for me!)

My question out of this report would be more like, who in the Sam F. Hill do you think you are that your little ego is so bruised when there are so many in Texas that just might need a little moral support? It really is a shame that DeMint and King have such a pompas blown out of porportion view of their own self importance and can't set that aside. Boo Hoo if their little dog and pony show was side tracked by a natural disaster. PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH WASHINGTON. On top of all of that, judging by past performance, the Fed isn't giong to do dootlie squat for Texas anyway.

As much as I would like to learn more about Perry I applaud him for what he is doing. I wouldn't even hold it against him if he skipped the debate in Calif. After all he is the elected Governor of Texas, and he is showing at least some commitment to his duties as Governor (albiet this really is a silly expectation of an elected official). Compare this to, say Obama, you know the guy that had to put a lift kit on the bus so he could throw more people under it.

WHEW! IDK

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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
I'm still waiting for a response to my "challenge". I suspect it will not be answered, so, I'll simply ask another question. Frank, what in Perry do you see as "RINO"?

- Jack
The challenge was answered in the title of the huffpo article. Like I said earlier Jack, you're smarter than that.

Perry portrays himself as a conservative at election time, then moves to the center after he wins.

"When he ran for governor, he promised to secure the Texas / mexico border as soon as he was elected. He totally reneged on the promise. He also got a new business tax approved that was supposed to relieve residential property tax payers of their crushing taxes. Not only are business paying taxes they didn’t have to pay prior to 2008, homeowners are paying more property tax."
 

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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 12:28 AM
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I think you are saying the first line "tongue in cheek"? At least I'm taking it that way.
Sorry Jack I got wound up and forgot to address this part.:o

You are very studious grasshopper. But I do kinda miss that twerp!
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 10:24 AM
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Perry portrays himself as a conservative at election time, then moves to the center after he wins.
What's wrong with that? The center is a hell of a lot better than what we have now - the far left.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 11:06 AM
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Jack though you are technicaly correct that they didn't directly admonish Perry for not attending, they sowed the seeds to create a sense of dis-unity in the Republican party. This is the "shady" part of reporting and the "have you stopped beating your wife yet" tactic at work. By using a few "big shot" republican names that are "disappointed" with Rick Perry alot of slow thinkers can easily draw the wrong conclusion and "read" things into the report. (The big guys in the party don't like Perry-that's good enough for me!)

My question out of this report would be more like, who in the Sam F. Hill do you think you are that your little ego is so bruised when there are so many in Texas that just might need a little moral support? It really is a shame that DeMint and King have such a pompas blown out of porportion view of their own self importance and can't set that aside. Boo Hoo if their little dog and pony show was side tracked by a natural disaster. PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH WASHINGTON. On top of all of that, judging by past performance, the Fed isn't giong to do dootlie squat for Texas anyway.

As much as I would like to learn more about Perry I applaud him for what he is doing. I wouldn't even hold it against him if he skipped the debate in Calif. After all he is the elected Governor of Texas, and he is showing at least some commitment to his duties as Governor (albiet this really is a silly expectation of an elected official). Compare this to, say Obama, you know the guy that had to put a lift kit on the bus so he could throw more people under it.

WHEW! IDK

Jim
The part I bolded is the part I'm taking issue with. I simply don't see any attempt to "sow the seeds".

I would expect Rep King and Sen DeMint to be disappointed. Please notice they did not blame Gov Perry for his decision. In fact, if you follow the link at the bottom of the one I posted, you will find this quote from Sen DeMint: "People have been killed and he needs to be back in the state,” DeMint said. ”A lot of people are coming to hear the governor first hand today so they’ll be disappointed.” (I bolded part of that quote for emphasis.) That hardly seems to be sowing seeds of dis-unity. It really sounds to me like Sen DeMint is backing Gov Perry's decision all the way!

I also take a bit of exception to your comment, "...alot of slow thinkers can easily draw the wrong conclusion and "read" things into the report." I don't really see a need for you to characterize me as a "slow thinker". It may be that I am, but derogatory personal attacks like these have no place in this forum. As I've said though, I have a very thick skin, so I will not retaliate. I'll just ask that you THINK before you post in the future.

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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
The challenge was answered in the title of the huffpo article. Like I said earlier Jack, you're smarter than that.

Perry portrays himself as a conservative at election time, then moves to the center after he wins.

"When he ran for governor, he promised to secure the Texas / mexico border as soon as he was elected. He totally reneged on the promise. He also got a new business tax approved that was supposed to relieve residential property tax payers of their crushing taxes. Not only are business paying taxes they didn’t have to pay prior to 2008, homeowners are paying more property tax."


I see absolutely nothing wrong with this title: "Rick Perry Skipping Palmetto Freedom Forum, Heading Back To Texas To Address Wildfires" Is it the word "skipping" you object to? Should it have been "to miss" or "will not participate in the", or "will not attend the", or some other euphemism? To me, the word "skipping" means "will not attend", I see nothing further implied. In a title, "shorter is better". Sorry, Frank, the challenge is still there, you missed the mark.

Frank, I don't see anything "RINO" in breaking campaign promises. What politician hasn't? And, honestly, I doubt anyone, anywhere, can secure the border. Hell, the USSR could not secure the border between East and West Berlin, and they were killing people who tried to cross it. Anyone with a lick of sense would know it was an "empty" campaign promise.

Regarding taxes, do you consider President George H.W. Bush a RINO for saying, "No new taxes", and then having to reconsider? Stuff happens. The Executive branch of government is not "god-like". And, I don't know enough about the specific property tax increase you refer to, but, was it Gov Perry's fault?

And, you quote a "blog" to prove your "RINO" point? How "expert" is the blogger? Since the blog contains one of the words not permitted in this forum, I should probably delete the link, but I've elected to let it stand so that others can read it. But Frank, you really know better.

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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 12:28 PM
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Maybe he has other issues.... Hope none of your familys are affected.
Bastrop County. 30,000 acres, no containment.
Caldwell County. 8,000 acres, 40 percent contained
Cass County. 7,000 acres, no containment
Palo Pinto County. 6,555 acres, 85 percent contained.
Travis County. 6,500 acres, 40 percent contained
Anderson County. 3,700 acres, unknown containment.
Grimes County. 3,000 acres, unknown containment.
Limestone County. 3,000 acres, unknown containment.
Nacogdoches County. 2,900 acres, unknown containment.
Fayette County. 2,000 acres, 50 percent contained.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 12:56 PM
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Since the blog contains one of the words not permitted in this forum, I should probably delete the link, but I've elected to let it stand so that others can read it. But Frank, you really know better.

- Jack
Sorry Jack. Feel free to delete the link in your reply post. I did not see that word at the bottom of that page. I have already deleted it in my original post.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 12:57 PM
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Maybe he has other issues.... Hope none of your familys are affected.
Bastrop County. 30,000 acres, no containment.
Caldwell County. 8,000 acres, 40 percent contained
Cass County. 7,000 acres, no containment
Palo Pinto County. 6,555 acres, 85 percent contained.
Travis County. 6,500 acres, 40 percent contained
Anderson County. 3,700 acres, unknown containment.
Grimes County. 3,000 acres, unknown containment.
Limestone County. 3,000 acres, unknown containment.
Nacogdoches County. 2,900 acres, unknown containment.
Fayette County. 2,000 acres, 50 percent contained.
Those acres don't tell the story of the homes destroyed or lives lost. This is the worst I have ever seen. There was a fire on one side of Malacoff as I came through this moring, several homes gone.
 
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Those acres don't tell the story of the homes destroyed or lives lost. This is the worst I have ever seen. There was a fire on one side of Malacoff as I came through this moring, several homes gone.
True, its devastating and sad most of those people didn't have time to get any personal belongings, family photos, whole lives gone up in flames in an instant. Quite a few of my wifes coworkers lost their homes.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 03:00 PM
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after the criticism of Bush's reaction to 911 and to Katrina, is it any wonder that politicians "Stay Home" when any kind of disaster happens.

we had the president on tv giving hurricane instruction just a few weeks ago.
all the problem we have and this is where his time was spent.

this is where we are at.


man i am so ready fo someone to give it to the US people strait, a DR phil canidate. no he wont win but it might wake a few up.
 
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Sorry Jack. Feel free to delete the link in your reply post. I did not see that word at the bottom of that page. I have already deleted it in my original post.
Done, Frank. Thanks.

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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 03:54 PM
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I just want to be clear that I'm in no way minimizing the destruction caused by the fires in Texas. And, I hope the Nation can send in support to get things under control there. We've seen enough devastation by fires here in Arizona that I can appreciate the damage to life and property they cause if left unchecked.

Not too many years ago, I watched the Aspen fire, caused by careless smoking, inch down the mountains toward Tucson, and could only hope we had the manpower to fight it.

No, my hangup was totally due to Gov Perry's decision to absent himself from the Freedom Forum while planning to attend the debate tomorrow. I see now that he's not sure about the debate. I'll feel much more charitable toward him if, he in fact, DOES NOT attend that debate too.

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