Are there any packaged NOS (or NX or other) nitrous setups made specifically for Lightnings (i.e. like the Mustang and Camaro/Firebird kits, pre-packaged with all the needed parts)?

Also, are those running NOS using primarily dry or wet kits? For dry kits, how are you plumbing the NOS into the intake? In front or behind the MAF? Into the intake boot? Drilling into the top of the metal blower intake?

I have *thought* about maybe getting a small cheater dry NOS setup (50 - 75 HP) to use after a chip/filter/pulley combo. The idea is to cool the charge and provide a little more HP when needed (i.e. when I am losing. ). Has anybody done a throttle body fogger nozzle plate setup yet? Also, do you fire your nitrous via a throttle microswitch at WOT or just a manual push button or what?

Sorry for all the questions, just curious.

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I have the Nitrous Express kit on my truck, its a wet kit and it works really great so far. the only thing that I am concered with is the fuel pressure in our trucks. we have 42 pound injectors which should be good up to 500 horse power but with a 100 shot, your right around that hp mark. I would never go with a dry after this weekend at WFC. There just not that safe for the truck, and also make sure you get a chip that is programmed for the N2o. just remeber that as long as you have enough fuel in the cylinder's then you don't have to worry about the N2o messing anything up.

I put the 50 shot in my truck this weekend and it worked awesome. the 75 and 100 where running the truck to lean for me. I'm going to put in a new fuel system for the truck and add some bigger fuel pumps. those two 110's are not enough. I was thinking about the two 255's. that would be more then twice the fuel that we have now. should be alright then. I was running the NGK TR6's in my truck and I thought they would be enough, but there not. when you run the nitrous on your truck do a plug thats 4 ranges colder. I'm going to put in the TR9's and possible some TR10's in the leaner cylinder's. these are not guesses either. this information is all comming from talking with Bart Tobner for an hour about the lightning's fuel systems.

Oh yeah, PSP sell's a throttle body plate that will accept either the NOS kit's or the NX kits. really a nice piece, I can't wait to get mine from him.

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NOS is coming out with a kit for the L # 05112. It is on their web site. Josh

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I believe your fuel rail pressure is a lot higher than you think, and the two fuel pumps are more than enough for the NX wet systems. Your plug choices are way off unless your going to run WFO with nos all the time. They won't run worth a darn without the nos. Get to cold and you will get a lot of detionation. The biggest problem with nos is bottle pressure being to high or to low. Control your flow of nos and use it wisely. Its a bad combination in bracket racing, not very consistent, can vary as much as .20 which will cost you a race. I can run all day at 8.00-8.10 in the 1/8 mile on a 50 shot, but that spread will lose races. Its fun but its not competitive.

 

Explain to me what roll the size of injectors play in a "wet" kit? The extra fuel that is needed is being added with the nitrous. If you're having lean conditions wouldn't that be becuase of a loss of fuel pressure i.e. undersized fuel pumps, smaller than adequate fuel rails/lines? Since the fuel is being taken off the fuel rail the injectors haven't got the required pressure on larger shots. Larger injectors will not remedy this problem, fuel PRESSURE will. Am I wrong?

BTW, what did you see that turned you against a dry kit? Was it too LRGE of a shot for the injectors to safely handle? I happen to have a Compucar wet 5.0EFI wet kit sitting in my bedroom that might just have to be installed.

Paul

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1BADTK,

There's no way in the world that this pumps can keep up with the N2o kits, even a wet kit. when you spray a 100 shot. I just tried mine out this weekend, and I burned off 5 of the 9 electrodes on the TR6's in my truck. my pressure was up around 900 to 950 which is perfect and the truck still ran to lean. even sprio noticed that his truck was running out of pressure with the 100 shot.

sunday morning at WFC I put all brand new Accel plugs in my truck, there are one range colder then the tr6's and the still ran bad. no detonation on them, but the truck was lean, and that was with a 50 shot on the NX wet kit. even the NX dealer that was there told me and sprio that we should be running TR9's in the truck. all the street renegade guys that I race with told me to do TR9's in the truck. eveybody that I talked to said to run the TR9's in the truck. all the street renegade cars's run the TR9's in the cars. now I know my L is no rengade car, but you got to remeber that we had dual power adder's on the truck and that add's up to allot of boost, and possible some problems.

I'm going to try out the TR 8's, and 9's and see what kind of results I get. I'also going to put a new fuel system in the truck to add some more fuel in the truck. you can never have enough fuel. well maybe thats a little wrong, but you know what I mean. we might even need new injectors on the truck already.

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I agree w/ everything you state RTKILLA, but I would like to add my opinion to the matter as well (please do not take it personal)

Originally posted by RTKILLA:

Our 42# injectors are more than capable of handling a N2O kit, as long as our fuel pump and our pressure is adequate enough to supply the extra fuel required. The #'s you gave above are definitely safe and I would hope that most people do their best to stick with it. The dual 110's definitely should have been larger from the factory, as this is something I just do not understand. 190's is what I recommend minimally and 255 as you stated desired.

I personally feel opposite and suggest *against* a wet kit when it comes to deciding which to get when wanting it for say a Mustang, a Camaro, etc., but in our L's the wet kits are definitely easier to work with at this time, but when NOS comes out w/ their L kit that'll be the setup to go w/ IMHO, as it has been specifically designed to work w/ the factory setup, and most likely will allow for modifications as well (similar to the stage 2 kit for the Stangs).

True, but we do need to worry about internals and how much they are able to withstand. Just because the fuel mixture is safe doesn't mean our pistons, our rods, nor our seals are safe. This isn't to scare anyone off from NOS as our Gen2 "L's" are very capable of handling a 50 and a 75 shot, but it's the 100 to 150 shots that people need to worry with if they do not have the time and cash reserve to repair minor problems or heavily damaged engines (after prolonged use).

Personally, I have ran way too much NOS through my Stangs and low and behold they always lived, and I could never explain it (150 and 175 shots on stock bottom end). I guess I'm the meticulous one, like you, who makes sure my fuel system is safe.

BfB

 

BfB,
You stated that the dual 110 pumps should have been larger from the factory. Is anyone running a stock set-up having fuel delivery problems? My 2001 L with a JL Diablo Chip & Aftermarket filter kit is not having any fuel starvation, or lean running problems. Are the larger fuel pumps needed only for nitrous systems? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm simply curious as to why you feel the factory twin 110 set-up is inadequate.

 

How many out there are running fuel pressure guages with nos? And what is your fuel pressure when WO? I think you are in for a suprise on the fuel rail pressures. 42# injectors are more than enough with the nos, anymore and you will be running rich. I can run a 100 shot and never see any fuel pressure loss or a lean mix in the air/fuel. What octane gas were you running? If less than 104 you are going to burn up plugs from the added heat from the lower octanes. I have and always will with that gas. You don't need a larger pump, its your money, and it will cost you in parts that will be required beside the pumps.

 

Originally posted by 1BADTK:

Let us not forget that pressure and volume are two seperate things although they are correlated with each other in function they still play independant roles.

You can have 100 psi w/ a 55 lph pump and 100psi w/ a 110 and trust me you'll have more total fuel w/ the 110.

Ford 2001 SVT, yes I meant it only in heavily modified situations, and Nitrous is one of them.

BfB

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