Jeeesus!!

What famous person said "Can't we just get along?".

After two years of screwing around with the truck it would stand to reason to me that FMC would have improved the performance on the 01 a fair bit. Maybe even more than the 20 hp advertised gain.

Certainly if I were going to buy one I would expect it to be improved in many ways over my 99 including being faster.

I may post again on this later, but I hope it is just springtime again and everyone's juices are flowing just a bit too fast.
I think we run the risk of really pissing off present and potential suppliers of the things we all need if we keep some of this up.

BTW, I too have a GTech and although I don't use it anymore, I think we all do have to realize that it can give valid comparative data if you follow the instructions and, yes, I do believe the mph readings must take into consideration the way GTech measures that value. It is different than that found at a track.

I am at least one 99 owner that hopes like heck that you folks that purchased a 2001 have both a better and a faster truck than I have modded or not. I think it is supposed to work that way.
Bill

 

I plan to run 12's with my '01 Stock, with the exception of 2 mods. 1 ET Street on each rear wheel.

This is what I mean by some of you new owners have no clue as to drag racing.......These lightnings hook up great.Im sure the people who are running 13.5s stock are not having traction issues.Maybe the 13.7s are having little but if you look at the 60 fts on the time slips from the people who post them,It is very clear they are getting off the line just fine on street tires.

What do you think because you buy slicks your magical tires are gonna get you 5 tenths?Once again you must be smoking the magic dust not the magic tires.

For any of you who think your magic Lightning is gonna run 12s stock,Shut up or put up.....Time slips as the others do.....

 

LQ> Rest your neck. You & lgogether should get married. I don't care what you think you know. You don't know everything. I don't either, but I don't try extra hard to be a P_rick and argue with everyone and fill them full of BS doubts. You're so GD fast that you just broke into 12's. Whoppee. Get some NOS cause even if you don't know what you're doing, you can go faster. When I post my 12's timeslip you can KMA. How old are you & how long have you been racing???? Maybe you can use your "***** envy" to make you go faster. How do you like me now?

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Rick
'01 Red Lightning Ordered 11/30/00
Build week of 2/19/01
Built On 2/20/01
Shipped Via Rail 2/27/01
ETA Of 3/12/01
Mods :
G-Tech Pro
Bel Radar/Laser Detector

 

Not that it matters but,

I am 25 and have been racing for 7 years.No more,No less.See I dont have any BS to tell just facts.I am not happy cause I went 12s,I want 12s consistant like I run 13.2s consistant,I just ordered new chip/maf,pully,ram air.I am hoping for 12.5-12.7 consistant and I will be happy.I went 12.90s with just a chip/filter so I "THINK" it is possible and probabale but Im not on here saying that my truck will do 12.5s or 7s with the new stuff,I am hoping and judging by my past experience,It might happen.The problem with you is you dont know anything and you think you do.

And for the record,If you do run 12s stock,I will gladly KYA "kiss your a$$" Yes I will.And If you dont Im gonna agrevate you and pi$$ on you every time you post

 

01ArrestMeRed,

Rick, I love the way you express your self. (HaHa)

Take care and good luck.

FD

 

FD, I hope you have a decoder ring for what you wrote:
What concerns me is if you write that poorly when you’re trying to convey what you’re thinking, why do I believe you will remotely understand my response. Good luck FD. For everyone else who cares what I have to say on the subject, here it goes…..

First off FD, maybe I’m too old to understand how “math is raid”, but I do know how to use a basic algebraic equation. Based on the 111.5mph/4830lbs race weight pass that JohnnyLightning posted last week, he is generating approximately 580 net HP. JohnnyLightning also graciously posted the environmental conditions of that run, 41 degF, 57% humidity, and the all-important extraordinary barometric pressure of 31.2 in Hg so that we can put his pass into perspective. These are almost perfect conditions (lower humidity would have been better ). If his ‘Powercooler’ is set up right, he could have seen intake temperatures as low as 50 degF after the supercharger/intercooler! His combination of low pressure losses on the intake, an extremely cool air charge after the intercooler, an unheard-of-in-Arizona barometric pressure, 10+psig total boost pressure, high octane fuel, an optimized fuel/timing map on his chip for the slower burning fuel, reduced inertia by eliminating the fan and running an aluminum driveshaft, it is not surprising that JL is making 200 net HP more than ‘stock’! In addition, you are still stuck on the “12’s”. Again, ET does NOT have a direct relationship with HP. There are way too many variables in ET for algebra to predict accurately.

I haven’t unearthed any secrets, I’ve just reiterated what JohnnyLightning has previously posted. So FD, do you understand now?

Joel…..

 

To JoeLightning & everyone,

First, thanks to all of your for your comments. My, but we're a passionate bunch about the Lightnings, aren't we?

First, of course the Superchip isn't adding 60,80,100 or more horsepower, that's patently obvious. It's adding to these Lightnings, at the rear wheels, anywhere from about 32 to a max of 37 hp on a basically stock Lightning. (At the flywheel, it's 40-46 or so) It also lowers ET's a bit further via the vastly improved transmisison programming. So the ET reductions are comprised of more than just the raw hp gains, which is really all I was trying to say in that last post.

However, all this talk of a 9 mph increase in the 1/4 mile, I have not responded to, and will not, until I see actual before & after same-day time slips from a sactioned 1/4 mile track, and I hope everyone will understand the obvious reasons why I say that, without anyone getting their feathers ruffled or their feelings hurt. We all know that the G-Tech unit has only one (and a very inexpensive one at that) accelerometer inside, so it can only measure G-force on 1 axis. It must be very precisely levelled and done so very consistenly each time it is used, for best comparisons. A G-tech can be a very fun tuning tool, just don't count on it being an "absolute" or even a particularly accurate device. At best, it can be within a couple of tenths in the ET, and I couldn't tell you how close in MPH, and that's *at best*. They usually tend to show a little bit slower ET, and a little bit higher 1/4 mile trap speed compared to actual track runs, in our experience. What one poster commented on about how it calculates it's trap speed compared to the 132 (66 ft. between each of the 3 sets of lights at the top end) ft. over which the vehicle is timed to determine trap speed at a drag strip may very well be correct, and if so, could indeed give some explanation as to why we somewhat consistently see a bit optimistic trap speeds with the G-Techs, very interesting comment, & thanks!

I'd be the first to agree that mph is a far better indicator of raw power, you bet.

To answer other questions:

1.) With the Flip Chip, the engine must be shut off to flip the switch, otherwise you can confuse the system, so just shut the motor off for long enough to flip the switch, don't do that while driving.

2.)To get our drag racing tips sheet, just shoot us an email & we'll email you back a copy. Remember that it is not intended for experienced drag racers, it's a "quick & dirty" tips sheet designed to give beginners some advice on how to make directly comparable back-to-back runs when testing aftermarket parts, and a bit about how to stage consistently. Experienced drag racers will laugh at it, newcomers will be helped, is one way to put it.

3.)You cannot tow with the performance program for the Lightning simply because it's designed to get maximum performance from the engine, and may cause detonation if you add a couple of tons of weight out back. Some can get away with it, and some can't, this will usually depend on your local fuel quality, but we have to recommend against it. For those who want to tow, either get the 2-program Superchip Flip Chip that has 2 different programs so you can tow up to the Lightning's 5000 lb. tow rating, or simply pull the chip prior to towing.

I hope that helps to answer some questions, & our bests to all.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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Hey Mike,

I know it’s been a while since you’ve drag raced, but I guess it’s been a long time. I don’t remember the year, but the “speed trap” now only measures the last 66 feet before the finish line. In the old days it was an average over 132 feet, 66 feet before, and 66 feet after the finish line like you remember. The reason why I wrote 60ft(?) earlier is I wasn’t sure at that time. Even on the NHRA website they conflictingly list the speed trap as 66 feet long on one page and 60 feet long on another. The bottom line is now it’s all over at the 1320 foot beam. If I remember correctly this was done as the cars were getting faster. They weren’t shutting down till after the 1386 foot mark to appropriately obtain record trap speeds and then they were running out of room in the shut down area. NHRA changed the setup for obvious safety reasons.

As you’ve stated Mike, the g-tech uses an accelerometer to measure g’s. The unit must be perfectly level, measuring 0 g’s from a stop. As soon as the vehicle begins to move, the accelerometer measures the acceleration and starts the clock. The imbedded software then integrates the acceleration once to get the velocity at any given instant, and also integrates the velocity at that same instant to measure the distance traveled. This happens every 2.5 milliseconds until 1320ft have been measured. At that instant, the velocity is recorded. Note this is a velocity at 1320 feet, not an average of the velocity at the 1254-foot mark and 1320-foot mark like at a drag strip.

Joel....