Hi Jeff's Lightning,

So far it basically has, but the "final" dyno numbers have not been done, as they want to run numerous '01 Lightnings over time to see if there is the same basic variance range in the stock power output of the '01 Lightnings like there has been in the '99 & '00 Lightnings, so we'll have to see what happens as the 2001 production run continues. In the past, few '99 or '00 Lightnings have actually made their 360 SAE net rating bone-stock, a few have, but most are in the 320-340 range at the flywheel, with 260-280 at the rear wheels on a good eddy-current chassis dyno. (Yes, we've all seen numerous Dynojet readings of 330+ rear-wheel horsepower on stock Lightnings, but that's way off & highly inaccurate, as would require 400+ flywheel horsepower, a figure no bone-stock '99 or '00 Lightning has made to date). The '99 & '00 Lightnings have gained anywhere from a minimum of 32.5 rear-wheel horsepower to as much as 36 rear-wheel horsepower, just depending on how strong a particular Lightning is stock.

So far, the smallest gain reported back on the 2001 Lightning has been 30 horsepower at the rear wheels, but it's very early on yet, and we've not had access to enough 2001 Lightnings at the Superchips development facility to be able to comment on whether or not we're going to see the same basic variances in their corrected stock power outputs for the 2001 model year as we did during the course of the '99 & the '00 Lighnting production runs, so that will take more time to determine that as they continue the production run this year.

So far, it's a safe bet you're going to see an easy 30+ horsepower at the rear wheels, and it's very evident as soon as you install the Superchip. Superchips has not released the final dyno plots yet, as of the last conversation I had with that engineer, as soon as they do they'll make them available to anyone who calls them directly at 888-227-2447.

To date, we've not had a single issue of detonation on any 2001 Lightning, the program is *very* safe, and can safely be used on pump premium gas.

If you'd like to go over this in more detail, please feel free to give us a call, and well be happy to.

Congratulations on getting another new Lightning by the way!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
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Hi Speedin' Bob,

Good question, but no, there is no such animal as an "R-10". All current Lightning programs are a variant of the R9, as that is the most successful & the best "base" program for that vehicle, with the appropriate changes for each model year & usage as required, so they just get the appropriate suffix rather than a completely different designation. What we've established is the same "type" of programs for each model year of the Lightning, so that if a 1999 Lightning owner says "I have the R9 program", and a 2000 Lightning owner says "I have the R9 program", they have the same basic program made to give the same basic results regardless of model year, for consistency among Lightning owners. In other words, a '99 Lightning owner with the R9 program can expect the same basic driveability, shifting & power gains with an R9 program for a 2000 Lighting, etc., etc. In a word, consistency.

For the 2001 Lightning there is the R9N5 Flip Chip program, with a towing program on one side and the full performance program on the other side. Then there is the R9R5, which has the performance program on Side 1 and then a drag-race program on Side 2, programmed for 98+ octane racing gas.

And then there is the R9N5 single-program Superchip for the 2001 Lightning, which is the full performance program. That program can be used safely on pump premium gas, and cannot be used for towing. those who want to tow with their Lightnings should be using the 2-program Flip Chip.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
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[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 03-30-2001).]

 

Hi Bill,

Thanks!

It sounds like the adaptive strategy adjustments have been able to effectively compensate for your detonation on winter fuels, so that's good to hear. It's funny, even with enough octane that can happen, it all gets down to the actual energy content of the fuel.

It will be very interesting to see how your newest project (the TC) goes, we're looking forward to working with you on it.

Good luck & talk to you soon,

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

 

Hi FORDSALES (Jim),

Nice to "see" you again!

No, there is no such thing as an "R-10", if you'll take a glance at my reply to "Speedin Bob", I go over that in detail there.

Take care,


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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

 

Hi Flying Dutchman,

Thanks for your post, & of course we're delighted that you're happy. We do look forward to seeing your track times posted as well, & thanks in advance for that!

One quick thing to point out is that if anyone ever wants to do a direct back-to-back comparison to see just what the Superchip is doing for their vehicle on a given day, they way we do that is to do a 3-run format; stock, then chipped, and then stock again, with cooldown times in between to stabilize powertrain temps as well as battery disconnects & draining residual voltage so the computer's memory is fully cleared each time the program is changed (meaning, each time the Superchip is installed or removed). That way, you have a clear picture and directly comparable results, by properly isolating the program changes so there is no "skewing" of the numbers due to the previous program still bein left in the computer's volatile memory. That memory can be kept "alive" for anywhere from 3-5 hours to a day and a half after just doing a battery disconnect, if residual voltage is not drained, so it's important to to the voltage drain too if you want to do a back-to-back type of comparison. The way we do that is to disconnect the battery and then make the program change (either install or remove the Superchip), re-connect the battery and test-fire the engine. Once it starts, shut it back off and then disconnect the battery again. Then turn on the headlights for 5 minutes to drain residual voltage, then shut the headlights back off & re-connect the battery. What that procedure does is to fully clear the computer's memory, and when the power is restored, the computer gets a complete fresh program load, from either the Superchip or it's own internal eeprom chip that stores the factory program. That's the way to get the most accurate & directly comparable results on the same day.

We do have a drag racing tips sheet for Lightning owners that we've just updated, it's basic but it's great for those who aren't experienced professional drag racers. It tells how to do back-to-back comparisons properly, and also goes over staging techniques as well for best consistency, which is needed to do the most accurate back-to-back comparisons, if that is what is desired.

Thanks very much for your posts, good luck & have fun with your 2001 Lighting!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

 

Hi guys,

Just a general quick comment about 1/4 mile time reductions with chips..........

One very important thing to remember is that the ET reductions don't come *only* from the power increase (setting traction issues completely aside for a moment), but also come from the vastly improved automatic transmission programming where the Superchip is concerned.

For example comments like "we all know no chip can give 8 tenths, etc." are not correct, nor can such a rash generalization be made with regard to these Lightnings and gains made from powertrain programming. We have in fact done exactly that and even more on a number of Lightnings, though I'd be the very first to point out that kind of gain is above average on the stock F1's.

What we've found with the '99 & the "00 Lightnings is that how much of an ET reduction they see from the Superchip, **all else being equal**, is also affected to a certain extent by just how strong or weak a particular Lightning happens to be bone-stock. The stronger Lightnings tend to pick up a bit less, and the weaker ones pick up a bit more, with all of them making handsome & respectable gains. We've seen drops of "only" .35 (3 & 1/2 tenths), and we've seen reductions of a full second in ET in the weakest 1999 Lightnings, and everything in between. The *average* ET reduction from the Superchip with the stock F1's is about a half-second, with about 3.5 tenths coming from power gain and the rest coming from improved automatic transmission operation.

The point being, you do not *have* to gain 75-80 horsepower to knock 7-8 tenths off the ET's of these Lightnings in bone-stock configuration, though that's certianly one way to do it. We have to take into consideration the effect of the improved automatic transmission operation, from the improvement in the torque reduction strategies to removal of transitional retards that will never show up as a peak power gain, to quicker & firmer shifts, etc. The point is, a *number* of things go into making the ET reductions achieved by the Superchip, setting the traction issue completely aside.

All that having been said, is it a fair expectation for everyone who installs a Superchip in a Lightning to always knock 7-8 tenths off their ET's on F1's? Heck no, of course not, I sure wouldn't say that, the average is around a half-second or so.

Now before anyone gets their nose bent out of shape, understand that my comments in this post aren't aimed at anyone & my purpose is not to single any one person out, and are not intended to argue with anyone, etc. I've simply posted this using a couple of quotes from this thread as examples solely in the interests of helping to achieve a better understanding of the ways (other than just raw power gains) that thje Superchip reduces ET's in these specific vehicles, and we hope that helps others to understand this a bit better, that's all.

Just a little perspective gentlemen, & our bests to all,

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 03-30-2001).]

 

Hi Mike!

Where can I get that drag racing tips sheet you mentioned?

-Ollie

 

Question: Can the chips be flipped from one setting to another while under way or do you have to shut the engine down?

 

Mike, this question may have been answered before, but why can't you tow with the street/strip chip?

Bob

 

Mike,

Your English is a lot better than mine.
Thank you very much; this is exactly what I tried to explain for the last 3 weeks.
I hope that everybody understands, we are all friends trying to share information and love Lightning’s.

Good luck to all of you.

FD



Black 2001 Lightning - 4100 Miles on odo.
12.62 1/4 Mile
Mods:
ARE Ls II Hard Tonneau
Bedliner
Airaid Intake System
Big Mouth Power Unit
Dynomax Ultra Flo SS
Superchip Flip chip R9R5
NGK-TR6
Mobil 1 & Filter
Cobra
G-tech Pro
Sy-L Tire Warmer 200 Degrees F

 

Hey Mike T, Joel here. If I may speak for us old timers on the board, here's our problem with FlyingDutchman….. he MISREPRESENTS what he posts, and you’re not helping. Mike you wrote
which is all fine and dandy, but it will take approximately 120 additional HP to gain 9 MPH. There is no getting around this. MPH is a direct relationship of HP. PERIOD (I know you know this). Are you or FD saying that the SuperChip is providing 100+ more HP? I know you aren't Mike, but FD is! When (and if) FD ever posts timeslips, he may show the ET’s he claims, but the MPH will be MUCH lower (and I suspect his ET's will be lower also, but there are too many variables here).

Now for some comments about the G-Tech Pro.

1) The G-Tech instruction book clearly defines what is required to get accurate results. An average of multiple runs in both directions to cancel elevation and wind differences is required. Without the average, FD was just going downhill/downwind on the SuperChip day, and uphill/upwind on the non-SuperChip day.

2) The reason why all G-Techs give high MPH is not because it’s a piece of crap, but because it gives the true MPH at the exact integrated ¼ mile distance. The dragstrip uses two sets of lights at the big end, 60ft (?) apart, to calculate an average MPH over that 60ft.

Thanks for letting me expand on this subject.

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Joel.......
99.5 White Lightning,
SVT # 0056



[This message has been edited by JoeLightning (edited 03-31-2001).]

 

Joel,

I agree with you theorie about the G-Tech.
Butt come one, If your math is raid, JL runs 12s he should have a gain from more or less 160 hp, looking ad his mods I do not understand, please tell us the secret.

FD

 

Hmmmmmm.......???? Since '01 L's are already running 13.5 ET's stock, what are they going to do with a chippenfilter, and maybe good conditions & some traction ??? Are they going to run slower??? It would seem that a few (or more) people here would like to think that there is no way that the same people that gave them a frontend clunk and intercooler leak, could in any way shape or form, make a 2001 L faster than a '99 or '00 L is stock. Get over it!!! Fact is that there are already some that have run quite a bit faster, completly stock. Just FYI, I plan to run 12's with my '01 Stock, with the exception of 2 mods. 1 ET Street on each rear wheel. Now start the doubting Thomas routine again. Say what you want to, facts is facts.

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Rick
'01 Red Lightning Ordered 11/30/00
Build week of 2/19/01
Built On 2/20/01
Shipped Via Rail 2/27/01
ETA Of 3/12/01
Mods :
G-Tech Pro
Bel Radar/Laser Detector

 

another way to faster is to lose weight the truck that is. Have you looked at all of JL's mods??

 

Guys, it's all in how you say it. FD posted 101 b4 chip 110 after chip. thats real simple, nothing else was involved. times mean nothing, too many variables. trap speeds mean hp. the guys that are getting 110 and above trap speeds, have mods out the wazoo, and even though Ford made the 01 faster than stock 99-00's they did it with some of the mods most of us already have, they did not retard this truck so much, that 100 plus hp was ready to be released with a chip