hey babolt, do you have inject chips new phone number,i tried one at cyberbrawl,and it was a tength slower than the swanson,but someone else i no that has an L,that has no net,want,s there number,and the new company name, that now does the gen 2 chips .thanks

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Is someone using BABolt's username? Doesn't sound like you to come out with a bunch of chip bashing.

I would be very surprised to see others quoting spike horsepower as their peak as we all know it exists by now. Perhaps it makes them feel better, who knows.

My understanding is that the spike is torque converter lockup and yes, a couple of chips are eliminating that. I now have a bag of chips and hope to dyno everything soon. We'll see what works and what doesn't.

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Hello What04
No I don't have a ghost writer and I am not bashing the chip guys. I just don't like to see Horsepower claims that I know are not real. I think that we all like to see linear plots with no hick-ups. Can we see good performance out of a chip that displays a spike? Yes! What I am saying is, do not make a claim to the high Horsepower figure because it is not real if you have a spike in the plot. Hope this helps.

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BABolt
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Hey BABolt,

I know very well what you are saying. All I was observing was that you usually have great information in your posts (even if sometimes a little mysterious and provocative) and don't spend much time bashing others.

No flame intended.

 

Only the facts maam,

I have a Swanson chip.I have not done any dyno runs but i dont need to.I have had awesome power increase and very hard shifting and not many ill effects with it.

I do have many many 1/4 runs which are first of all very fast and more important VERY consistant.

Stock.......13.9@98mph

Swanson /Downs intake .......13.2s@103**CONSISTANT!!!!

My best with the same mods is a 12.9@104.85

This chip helped me win the STREET FORD CHAMPIONSHIP ant Ford Fun Weekend.

This is real life.This chip is consistant as hell and rips low Ets and high MPHs every time!! the throttle response is incredible and shifting is very firm.

My only other opinion is that you really do not need a MAF set up just a chip.I feel because Ive never seen a increase in 1/4 times with or without it,You really dont need it at all.Also just so you know,Its my understanding that when you use both,You have to lower the power in the chip to make up for the MAF to work correctly.Not worth the money in my opinion.If you take my vechicle wieght and my best ET(12.9),You will see that this chip works and my truck is probally 375 at the rear wheels and well over 400 at the crank.

 

Lightningquick,

those are some impressive numbers. Is that the only mod; chip/intake? What is the cost of that mod combo? Are those 13.2's and 12.9 with stock radials? Do you have gears?

 

Don't remember the exact figures, but as I recall my best pull was around 365 r.w.h.p. (not the spike, which was 380 something). Shifting is a little harsh on the downshifts, but I spoke to Danny and he said that he inadvertantly set the line pressure too high on the 3-4 shift and to send it back and he will fix it, no charge, no problem. Otherwise I am very happy with the chip, makes an unbelievable difference in performance.
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[This message has been edited by alphadoggy (edited 09-22-2000).]

 

OK Guys!
Again, what I am looking for is the dyno plots. If you quote a horsepower number and it is based on the spike it is not a true peak horsepower number.

What04

If you find a little mystery in what I am saying it is just to get people to think and ask a question.

Danny Swanson

There no bashing. I stated that there is a spike with most of these chip. The spike is in the stock program and if the tuner does not know how to address it, it will still be there when the chip is added. I stated which chips I have tested. and I said I still found the spike there. Also three months ago I told everyone at this site that I was testing chips both at the track and on the dyno. That is what I've been doing. There is not one bad word here that this tuner or that tuners chip is no good. I will not do that. I am not going to say that the Danny Swanson chip S*CKS and I will not say that about any chip. We need to understand one thing the SPIKE is in the base program so unless you find a way around it, it will still be there when a chip is added. I now have over a half a dozen dyno plots from diferent members of this board. In each and every case they quote the SPIKE figure as their horsepower. Maybe at your web site you state a horsepower figure the is not inclusive of the spike. That is good and your customers should appreciate it. What I am trying to do is address information at this site. If you quote a number back it up and show your dyno plot.

Summation
I believe that I have done my homework. I have not attacked anyones turf or ego. The whole point of this excerise was to get at an understanding of the information on a Lightning dyno plot. What do you really see there! The key thing to remember is that this HP number is just that a number. It does not mean that the person with the greatest number wins. If that was the case why race. Winning races is based on a multitude of factors and Horsepower is just one factor in the equation.

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BABolt
SVT#290

 

Is there anything inherently wrong with having a horsepower spike at a certain RPM? Its not the spike that is the problem, its a vendor or anyone else claiming that spiked HP peak at what the chip is generally capable of, which it is not, it is only momentarily capable of that HP number. Overall, the HP plateau is at a lower number.
What matters in the area under the HP and TQ curves. That's why charts are important. If I have a spike, it just means I have more area under by dyno curve. Of course, it would be a problem if the spiked HP number went over the capacity of the transmission, etc. and caused mechanical failure.

 

Hey guys,

Sorry, my scanner is on the blitz, but here are my #s with PSP chip, PSP filter kit. As I have stated previously, I got a spike with the stock programming, the Superchip CUX1TRAC program, but not with the PSP chip. Go figure.

RPM POWER TORQUE
3400 281 433
3500 295 443
3600 303 442
3700 311 441
3800 317 439
3900 325 437
4000 330 434
4100 335 429
4200 340 425
4300 344 420
4400 349 417
4500 353 412
4600 356 407
4700 358 400
4800 360 394
4900 362 388
5000 362 380
5100 364 375
5200 364 367
5300 363 359
5400 358 348
5500 354 338

If you plot this, you'll see no spike at all.

Just more info for those interested.

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My Dyno plots from last Saturday.


Yes I know it is an eye test but it is just the data from the plot.

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[This message has been edited by BABolt (edited 09-21-2000).]

 

For what it is worth...I have Danny Swansons chip with the Pro-M, from our group buy. I haven't dyno the combo, but will and post. The overall driving impression is this---complete satisfaction, low speed, like a stock truck with shifts and throttle response.Get on the go pedal and its like a completely different animal. Hard pulling in first and carring into second with firm shifts. I know this doesn't answer anything, but want to give Danny his due. Just sign me, another grinning Lightning owner. :> ))

 

Babolt, we had a spike in our cellular call today. Good talking with you as always and yes we will get together with Jerry for future project. I like your approach and thought process. Also, I know a little about instrumentation myself any LIGHTNINGS running VVT to produce those big numbers over such a small RPM band? Great info on this page keep it up guys!

 

Seems the topic has gone sideways a little, but still no posts of 375hp. Danny I am not trying to start any flaming. 375hp @rw's is alot and I was looking for some real world results from people who have your Chip MAF combo. From what I've seen (or remember)from most posts are below the 370hp range with more mod's than just a chip & MAF. Just looking for some proof...Seems to be a fair amount of differences between the trucks some run 12.9 on a good day with your chip and others run 13.7 with your chip and combo. Why the difference? is it the spike, I think not but seven tenth's = alot of HP difference why? why? why? Let's see some 375hp dyno plots from non vendors!!!

 

To BaBolt, if you think that my peak HP numbers are taken off a spike, then go to my web site and look for yourself. You might do your homework before stating your claims. I very seldom come to the board. But i need to protect what i do. thx Danny Swanson