Seen quite a few reports of pinging at Sal's site and wondered if there's something that was done to make the 2K L's more ping prone?
My 2K pinged as soon as the PSP chip was installed. Sent it back for a reburn and that one pinged too. Put it on a local dyno and the tuner could only get 15 hp extra out of it before PINGING.
Gave tuner the SVT number and the SVT rep said to have a dealer put it on the scope and get some "real time" readings fromt the O2 sensors.
Anyone having this trouble???

 

Maybe yours is one of the one's that have their PCM's octane rating set at 89 Octane? Just a guess. Have the dealer check it out.
God, I hate to say this "Do a search on computers and octane ratings". Copy them and then take it to the dealer to have it checked out. IMHO




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Dan

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99.5 Vermillian Red SVT Born on date:
8/24/99 # 2094
N.L.O.C # 461
F1 Hood
Full Bassani Exhaust
PSP TOTALLY ENHANCED-4-way chip,filter
Level 10 Trans Kit
4.10 FMS Gears
JohnnyLightning Ram Air
Beltech 2" Drop
And the list keeps growing!!!
Best STOCK 14.22 @ 98.36 in 90+ degree weather
BEST et w/ mods to date:
13.59 @ 102.49. on F1's in 90 + degree weather
13.23 @103.98 on M/T E.T's w/1.91 60 ft in 89'degree weather

THANKS SAL!!!!!!

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I've noticed a number of posts on Sal's site lately regarding pinging from his chip.

My 2000 has never pinged, stock or with the new Super R9 and I burn Calif. 92 octane

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Jim
Jim@FordMotor.cc

Black 00, 4.10's, SuperChip/R9, super whites, Airaid w/10" Big Mouth, Mobile1 w/FilterMag, chrome wheels, AIM 2" drop, clear corners
2000 E320, 1993 Cobra R, 1959 Corvette,
1949 Plymouth Coupe

 

Videoman... The "octane rating" should have no meaning once a new chip is installed. The stock chip probably uses this rating to alter the timing curve. With a new chip, the tuner is seeing a new timing curve, fuel rates, etc... definitely not using the 'octane rating' number.

 

Wow... and I thought it was just me and my Lightning... unfortunately, I'm also having the same problem here.

Bought PSP chip, installed, tested... "PING!" Sent chip back for reburn, got it back a few weeks later, installed, tested... a little "PING!" but at the time I didn't think it was all that significant.

I sent email to Sal @ PSP with a few questions regarding what kind of ping was bad and what I could ignore, and what other things I might try to resolve this issue (I've been trying different brands of premium gasoline, but so far it hasn't made a difference). I've sent him email regarding this problem three times (once just recently) and posted the question on his message board once. The problem seems to be getting worse, or at least more easily noticable. Unfortunately, I have had no reply as of yet.

I did however get a prompt response from a certain Mike Troyer the next morning (Monday), and ordered the R9 Superchip on Tuesday. It's here now, and I'm going to try it out after work tomorrow. I've been reading good things about this latest Superchips program, and am hoping this will cure my problems. According to the posts I've read, the Superchip should work well with the Airaid box I currently have installed.

Ordering a new chip was an extraordinary measure for me, as I'm not the most affluent Lightning owner out there (I've just changed careers, now teaching computers to high school kids). My decision to purchase a new chip (instead of getting the PSP reburned again) was entirely because I could not get a response from PSP. I had been wanting to get PSP's filter kit, but haven't been able to even order one for months! If the Superchip/Airaid combo works well in my truck, I will be looking for an S&B filter 'upgrade' for my Airaid instead. If not, well... I dunno.

~rick

PS: I think Califonia might be sharing some of that 92 octane gas with us in Oregon; or does anyone know why we might have a weird formula here in the Northwest?

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lightning_svt@hotmail.com
2000 Ford F-150 Lightning



[This message has been edited by lightning_svt (edited 09-21-2000).]

 

lightning_svt: PLEASE keep us posted on whether the R9 pings or not.

 

I have had the R9 program for about 3 weeks and the onl time I get a ping is when I am towing, Called Mike T and he told me to tow on the "HOME" side. No more Pinging.

My two cents

 

2000 L with R9 program, california 92 octane-
No ping.

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Good hunting and check six

2000 Blk Lightning
-superchip
-Downs intake
1995 C36 (neck and neck with the L)
-Schikora chip
1996 VMAX
-Kerker
-rejets
-cams

 

DreaminAboutL - 00 L with R9, no ping.

 

Must be a 2K problem. My PSP chip doesnt ping at all on my 99.

 

2000L R9 major ping in 3rd and 4th at 4000 and up.

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Sam Cooper
2000 L White
Superchips R9
Airraid
Stock: 342rwhp/416rwtq
SCC2000L@Flashmail.com

 

Hello Sam,

I see you are now posting these comments in every thread, and they are far different from what you reported to me just 2 days ago when we spoke on the phone, as I mentioned in the other thread where you have now started describing "detonation sounds like a drumroll it's so bad".

If you had ever told *us* that you were getting "major" detonation, or anything like your other comment I directly quoted above, we would have told you to remove it immediately, & send it in to us for an adjustment to compensate for your local fuel quality. Our discussion was that you were going to try another brand of gas and get back to us on those results, to see if this is something that was just with that one brand, or something affecting all fuels in your immediate area there. Had you ever told me that you were getting "major" detonation, or anything like you are now posting in all these threads here, we would have told you to pull it immediately and have us do an adjustment to compensate for your local fuel quality.

As you can see from the many people posting here, almost nobody is having any detonation with the R9 program unless they install a badly calibrated Pro-M MAF unit, which leans the motor out significantly, so this is obviously a fuel quality problem in that area, which, as per our discussion, you were already aware of.

If you are actually getting "major" detonation, then you should tell *us*, so something can be done about it, instead of continuing to complain in every thread you can here and still continue to run the vehicle in that condition.

I would suggest you contact us to get this resolved, and stop using it immediately until we make the adjustments for your fuel quality if you're getting "major" detonation.

As soon as I saw you posting this stuff, I tried calling you numerous times, but all we get is a message saying "all circuits are busy" to your cell phone number.

"Major" detonation is a ticket to engine damage, and this is a serious issue that needs to be taken care of right now. At this point I have no idea what's really going on, but I can tell you that if you are actually getting "major" detonation, you should have told us that right away, and you should not run that truck like that. So let's do the smart thing and pull the chip, and give us a shout so we can get this taken care of for you, which we'll be happy to do.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

 

Hi Mega Zap,

I don't know what area you are in, but with every program that every chipmaker has released for these Lightnings, there will always be a few trucks in areas with poor fuel quality that will exhibit detonation, even though the octane is high enough. We've seen that happen too, as has everyone trying to tune these Lightnings.

What's happening is that the Feds have divided each state up into numerous geographic regions, and they monitor the air quality. Any region that is not in what they call "attainment" is threatened with losing their Federal highway funding, so they have to take immediate steps to attempt to clean up their air quality. One of the easiest things for them to do is to mandate the use of different fuel formulations.

Unfortunately, some of these reformulated fuels (not all, of course) have too low of an energy content (# of BTU's per lb. of fuel), and consequently, even though the octane may be there, they simply cannot support the same combustion chamber conditions.

For example what we do prior to the release of any new program is to have numerous vehicles in different areas of the country that are known to have fuel quality issues test the new program. If those results are all good, then the program gets released.

But even with that, there will still be a few vehicles in a few areas that will still get some detonation, and it's simply due to a too-low energy content in that area's fuel supply, and consequently, they need an adjustment made to their program to compensate.

This may be what is happening in your situation, I don't know, but I at least wanted to give you a little bit of background info on what's happening with fuel formulations.

To more directly answer your question, yes, the 2000 Lightnings *can* be more detonation prone, as they have considerably more spark advance in their factory program than the 1999's do, and if the chipmaker attempts to tune the 2000 in the same manner as the '99 Lightning, you'll get detonation every time.

The 2000 Lightnings are both richer and have more spark advance in their factory program as compared to the 1999's, and consequently they have to be tuned differently.

Good luck!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 09-22-2000).]

 

Thanks a bunch all of you - anyone wanting to research OCTANE rating - you won't believe this site!
http://www.dynopower.freeserve.co.uk...reignition.htm

 

Well, the switchover to the Superchip is done...

After work, I pulled into the in-law's garage (we're still in an apartment), turned off the engine, turned on the headlights, disconnected the negative battery terminal, and then relaxed with a cold drink (Starbucks bottled Mocha Frappuccino). About 20 minutes later, I removed the PCM, swapped chips, and reinstalled. Now it was time to test...

Unfortunately, I still had ping. I drove around for about 40 miles, trying all different kinds of conditions -- WOT, gradual accelleration, heavy acceleration, etc. Over the course of the miles, my truck seemed to ping less and less; possibly fine-tuning itself? My symptoms were slowly easing. Currently, it is pretty difficult to make the truck ping, but at certain times (i.e. right before a downshift under relatively heavy pedal pressure) I will hear it.

Conclusion for me: none really at this time. I want to leave the Superchip in for a while longer and try some other gas brands (Union 76 92 octane at the moment). My pinging is much, much less with the Superchip, but it wasn't the one-shot, perfect solution I was hoping for. I'll give it some time and more miles.

I ordered the Superchip R9 flip-chip, with 'mild' tuning on side 1, and 'full-blown' on the other . I installed and ran the chip in side 2 ONLY so far. Side 1 should work better, and probably won't ping, but I want the max tweakage.

To be fair, I attempted this same procedure (reset PCM by disconnecting battery, start truck with chip installed on full-tuned mode, give some time/miles for computer to adjust) with the PSP chip many times before, but always ended up with a lot of ping. The Superchip is better on my truck, but isn't perfect yet. It may end up that a pre-packaged solution won't work for my truck, and I might have to get a local shop to develop a custom program. We'll see...

Stay tuned, I'll report back again after some more driving time.

~rick

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lightning_svt@hotmail.com
2000 Ford F-150 Lightning



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