Thought this was pretty kewl, I knew Sean Hyland Motorsport had a SVT Lightning Project on the role for the last year, but never heard how they were doing. I was just at there website and they got the first set of Dyno's up on the project.
70.2 HP gain and 98 ft-lb torque!! I hponed in, and they said that the blower pulley the have does offer alot more power yet, but they still have some work to do with the pulley/mass air/chip/exhaust combo to get the timings right.
Their project Lightning's doing 13.26@104.82 on the 1/4 mile, with just the chip, mass air, and exhaust.
I'm definately keeping an eye on these guys, cause I've seen what they've done with the Mustang GT and Cobra's.
They're at http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com if ya wanna check out the dyno's for yourself, they're pretty impressive.

 

Well, I've questioned the advertised SHM numbers many times, as have others here. There have been a lot of people spewing out dyno numbers as of late. Dyno numbers are great but they don't mean anything if it doesn't help make the truck faster. That's why you rarely see me post power figures. I prefer to comment on track numbers. Seventy hp and almost 100 ft-lbs extra and it's only going 13.20s? That's pretty sad if you ask me. You can have a vehicle that makes impressive numbers on the dyno, but still doesn't turn an impressive ET. That just means the power is not where it needs to be or it's not being applied properly. Think about this- aside from HighRisk and guys running N2O, the fastest trucks on this board are going 13.0s. These trucks are turning impressive times with simple mods and well tuned chips. Here are a few, if I forget anyone, please forgive me:

Myself - 13.0s PSP Chip
Spiro - 13.0s PSP Chip
John Ledley - 13.0s PSP Chip
Jim Ritter - 13.1s PSP Chip
Kevin Peitro - 12.9s PSP Chip
Chris Bozack - 12.9s PSP Chip
Johhny Lightning - 13.0s Superchip

All of the above trucks ave simple bolt on mods such as filters, chips, some have exhuast, some have gears, and some even run on stock tires. None have aftermarket MAFs or any kind of internal engine work, or any special intercoolers, or anything else, just the above bolt ons. And all of these numbers are legit; if you don't choose to beleive them, that's your own fault. The key is in the tuning. 'Nuff said

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SAL - TEAM PSP
Best ET 13.09 Best MPH 104.58mph Best 60ft 1.87
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, M/T ET Streets PowerSurgePerf@aol.com

 

Well I agree with Sal, take a close look at the dyno numbers and times and the mods.
I call them on the numbers, and they were at a loss to explain them. You notice they are gone, I'm sure it is not because of me, but I can wish.
I have 2 freinds at work that ordered Hyland parts, and they have had nothing but trouble with them, one was considering legal action at one point.

-Anybody see some excuses (possibly lies) with not a lot of data?-

 

502.9-443.7=59.2 ft-lbs of Torque from an exhaust...

 

Well, I don't agree with Sal. If the dynos are properly calibrated, and the operators aren't fudging the figures (two big ifs, I concede), then the dyno numbers are more meaningful than track times. Lets say that I take my truck to Danny Swanson and have him install his chip and MAF, and the truck then dynos 390 rwhp. Then I take it to the track and run 13.5s, and Lightning Tuner then cries "bogus". Wrong. I'll still be an inexperienced racer running on a track at 2600' elevation on stock tires with a tailgate, spare tire, no bed cover, etc., etc.
To get a meaningful comparison you would have to run the trucks on the same day at the same track, and even then you are not factoring in things like gear ratios, racing fuel, driver skill, etc. Until somebody proves me wrong, I'll still put my faith in the dyno numbers.

[This message has been edited by alphadoggy (edited 06-10-2000).]

 

Ya boy's seem a little doubtful. Are we forgetting who we're talking about here?
This is the company that built the fastest naturally asparated Mustang in the world. So quick to pass doubt. tsk tsk...
Case you guys haven't notice, this company also builds motors for those funky looking race cars in europe, Mantis GT3's or whatever...
The little guys maybe speaking up, with whatever Mods they can come up with, feel sorry for the little basta*ds when SHM's done with them.
That's my 2 bits


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2000 Lightning
1999 Cobra 592HP

 

What Sal didn't say is that those St. Louis times reflect running at 1600 feet above sea level,80 degrees with 75% humidity.
Jim

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99 lightning
red,snuglid
PSP Chip & Filter
12.930 106.1 best
bassini
build date 4/14/99

 

Hey Guys, write to the webmaster of SHM, he's got the original Dyno's, he scanned a couple for me, sure he would for anyone else that asked. They're the same as what's on the site.
Had to ask to see where the numbers came from, and he sent them to me. He's just got the Dyno's though, didn't have the ET's like I wanted.
Had Custom Klutz or whatever his name was explain the exhaust HP, has to do with the airflow from the mass air and the exhaust system. Guess with the tuning, it would be very easy for a tuner to get that HP from that Mod, but had to be a good tuner.

 

Hey Alpha, Sal here. I understand your reply, let me explain in more detail what I meant. Let's say to take a 99 Lightning, and you go to the dyno. The truck makes 320rwhp stock. Your tuner installs a Pro-M setup plays with the calibration and gets you 370rwhp. That sounds impressive, 50 hp at the rear wheels. That should really make some good gains in ET right? Not always. If the truck makes 370hp, but only does it over 4500rpm, and the rest of the dyno curve is not much more then stock, then you aren't going to see much improvement at the track. Now let's say the same truck only makes 350rwhp, but it's drastically improved over the entire rpm range, that truck will be faster than the one that made 370. But all you hear is the impressive peak numbers. Those numbers sell product. Dyno numbers are so incorrectly used nowadays, and people lose sight of the real objective- to go faster!! There are really only two main reasons to use a dyno - 1) To observe changes with different products on the same vehicle, and 2) to be able to work on reshaping the power curve over the rpm range for more overall power. Case in point- I've seen a ton of dyno graphs on stock 99s. Half of them show in the 310-320 range the other half show in the 350-360 range.On stock trucks. Really kind of odd for such a large gap with nothing in between, but that's the facts. The 360hp stock dyno trucks don't go any faster than the 320hp ones, so you can't go by dyno numbers in that manner. It's a great tuning tool, and an abused advertising tool. I would much rather say my products lower ETs by X amount, than say that it adds X hp. What good is a dyno figure if it doesn't give you good performance. I spend time on the dyno to shape a good WOT curve. But I do my fine tuning at the track. If it doesn't make the truck faster, it doesn't work. My customers go fast because I spend the time to make sure they are getting the best power they can, in a mail order chip. If I dyno tune a truck, I can give them even more power, but our regular calibrations are very close to optimum performance. I do realize that track conditions vary, and that driver experiance and indvidual conditions will have a great effect on different results. I also understand that different weather conditions effect performance results, but that also applies to dyno pulls. What it comes down to is, dyno numbers sell parts, don't rely on them. If you want your truck to go faster, then use products that make trucks faster

Oh, and for Zappd, I see you are new, welcome to the board. I give credit to Sean Hyland soley for the fact that he has done stuff with Mod motors that most have not tried. But that's the end of it. I know more people who are unhappy with SHM stuff than happy. And I've said it a million times, but just because a Mustang tuner can build an 8 second Mustang, doesn't mean he can do a Lightning. All I do is Lightnings. Mustang guys spend about 5% of thier time devoted to Lightnings, where 100% of my time goes to them. It makes a difference.

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SAL - TEAM PSP
Best ET 13.09 Best MPH 104.58mph Best 60ft 1.87
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, M/T ET Streets PowerSurgePerf@aol.com

 

i have to agree with Sal.I personally witnessed a superchipped/bassani/sals intake running 13.5-13.6.the person also said it ran a 13.20 2 weeks before.i believe him ,I saw him spinninng quite a bit running those #s.13.2 is definatly undestandable with more traction.the reason I side with sal is,Not one person has seemed to have better e/ts with the exhaust.Its proven that it gives you more HP on the dyno,I have the article.the ehaust just doesnt give better ETs.I have run 13.2s with just a chip and filter in both of my lightnings now 99/2000.I dont see Mass air flow giving better ets either.Danny tried to talk me into it but just like before,I feel you only need a GOOD chip and a intake kit.If I want to be in twelves all i have to do is gear it now! I dont care about dyno #s,they dont make you get from A-------b any faster,The track is the true judge.When you get beat by a 275hp car ,what is your exuse......BUT my dyno #s say????????.Who gets to the end faster is what counts!

 

Why I don't believe them:
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords, February 2000 edition, Page 184
This is where MM&FF test Seans truck (remember SMH advertises in MM&FF)
The truck only had 360 hp and 426 lbs-ft, with the Pro-M, Exhaust, and superchip, at this time.
The best they ran was 13.40 @102.40 at English town in the fall... <A HREF="http://www.zing.com/picture/pd66088d76a7280da748fcf5da077b95d/ffae357d.jpg.orig.jpg" TARGET=_blank> </A>


So the exhaust is worth that much horsepower, tell that to the people getting 7-15 hp out of a well made bassini system... Sure dude.

[This message has been edited by SilverBullet (edited 06-09-2000).]

 

The Bassani does make a difference.

FWIW, this week, I raced against a 2000 L w/no mods except a Bassani exhaust, and a '99 w/ the Superchips race-only chip and a K&N filter setup.

The Bassani-equipped L was turning 13.6s. The '99 was a bit slower. Temps were in the mid-high 70s, under partly cloudy conditions and reasonable humidity.

Frankly, I was a bit surprised by the performance of the L w/ the Bassani setup, given what I had read on this board. Both trucks were .3-.4 sec faster than my stock '99. The chipped L seemed to pull me a little quicker out of the hole.



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Regards,
Gordon

99.5 Red Lightning
Only driven on Sundays (1/4 mile at a time)

 

Hey Gordon, Sal here. I don't think that's a really accurate comparison to say the Bassani makes a difference. Jeff Sparkmans 2000 went 13.6 all stock. I've sold a ton of Bassani systems, and many customers have stated that while they like the system, it didn't help. My testing showed the same result. I figured even if there was no ET reduction, it should help trap speed. But no performance increase at all. I'd never put the stock system back on, and I think the Bassani system will help as the trucks get faster, but as for a truck in the 13's you won't see a big gain on the track, even though dyno results show impressive gains.

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SAL - TEAM PSP
Best ET 13.09 Best MPH 104.58mph Best 60ft 1.87
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, M/T ET Streets PowerSurgePerf@aol.com

 

Tell ya what, Lightningtuner. Go against Sean's own Lightning, his everyday driver. In fact I dare you to.
Prove to this message board, and anyone else that cares to listen how well you can do lightnings. Get a hold of the moderator here and lets get a dyno and 1/4 mile standings going.
Put it this way, I spent alot of money on my Mustang through him, and if anyone can bring the ***** out of a lightning, he can.
As for doubting the results, I did to, so I had my own Dyno done on my stang after I got it back from him, I actually got better results than what he said my stang had. That told me alot about the company, no fudging the numbers.
Maybe you want to sell a few chips, mods, or whatever, but if you really want to do business, prove yourself.
Put it this way, you prove yourself better, my Lightning's your's to beef up.

Up for the challenge?

 

But Sal you just posted detailed graphs showing how your PSP chip outdynos the superchip. I guess you just didn't say this either:
"It's a great tuning tool, and an abused advertising tool. "

What were you doing when you posted those detailed graphs (Supercip Vs PSP)??? If the dyno's don't mean anything why post them?? You hear about some other chip that supposedly would outdyno yours now the dyno's don't count anymore. What gives?

Later,
Terry




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