Boy am I glad somebody posted this....So True
Dale

 

Just curious, is this the same engine builder that used the well worn valve springs and used stock valves in your rebuilt motor

 

I guess they were supposed to provide them free when Rob didn't want to pay for them?

 

Iam sure if it was brought to Robs attention, he would have found the money
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It was the BEST race engine builder comment that I thought was FUNNY, but you probably don't think its so funny, if thats who put your motor together, huh?

 

Gator Gator Gator, always looking to add salt on the wound aint you
Let's get a one thing straight, WE HAVE DIFFERANT GOALS and mine are only 500HP off spray, and there is still NO REASON I cant do that on stock heads,
AND I WILL.

I do agree that had someone told me I needed to change springs, OF COURSE it would have been done, thats a no brainer and looking back is pisses the chit out of me (&$%(@#$&^%@#$(^%@#$(&$#@. However we cant put the blame on Sal here, the Heads were send to PCH Racing Engines and they were the ones who took them apart, went over them with a fine tooth comb, cleaned them up, reported to us on the 8 bad exhaust guides, and I'm willing to bet those springs were within the factory specs OR he would have reported that too, same with the valves.
They sure looked fine when they were ready to go back on



(and for the record he's the best of the best, they been doing this for like 35 years at the same address and I trust EVERYTHING was checked, not just my valve guides)

Am I the first to have low HP results on a Mag, NO
but I was UNFORTUNATELY the one who OFICIALLY found out the springs played a part. BUT when we rebuilt my motor NO ONE KNEW YET that this was even an issue, so lets not make more of an issues out of it than it is. Yes I was on a Low Budget but lets not talk stupid here, a few hundred dollars means NOTHING at that point, of course I would have done the Valves and Springs. It was shortly after my rebuild and due to the high post count and controversy the Mag vs Eaton post created, that Charles started to do the spring testing, made up a very controlled test, and reported his findings, which clearly do seem to point to the Springs.

So lets NOT get off topic here, the point I was making WHICH IS FACT,
is that EACH AND EVERY ENTIRE BRAND NEW LIGHTNING MOTOR that has been put on that 20 HP RMC-40 machine has been found to have clearance issues, HUGE clearance issues. Which may just explain why there are ESP's on each and every year Lightning Gen 2 ever built for Head leaks

Dont believe me, read um and weap
http://www.lightningrodder.com/content/view/115/61/

The point I was making is AS A RESULT OF THOSE FACTS
anyone is asking for trouble when they take new heads and bolt them on a old block, OR NEW BLOCK for that matter, without FIRST having the motor decked and the heads milled. How many BRAND NEW built motors have we seen lift heads, --> TONS <--
I got 50.00 says mine wont, and as I said before AND I QUOTE
And for the record, Mark went full meal and has an EVEN BETTER ONE

 

Rob's post below is right on target, the springs were problably up to factory specs. Until Rob changes them, we won't know if the springs are the problem or not. Right now that is speculation....

As for who the engine builder is, I'm not worried..

 

And you shouldnt be, you truly do have the Best

You know now that I went and looked through the TSB's, I got to say,
FK-ING FORD, look at that "the same TSB numbers year after year"
instead of fixing the problem

Bulletins for 1999 Ford Truck F 150 2WD Pickup V8-330 5.4L SOHC VIN 3 SFI

03-6-2 MAR 03 Engine - Oil Leak From R/H Cylinder Head Gasket
02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement

Bulletins for 2000 Ford Truck F 150 2WD Lightning V8-330 5.4L SOHC SC VIN 3 SFI

03-6-2 MAR 03 Engine - Oil Leak From R/H Cylinder Head Gasket
02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement

Bulletins for 2001 Ford Truck F 150 2WD Lightning V8-330 5.4L SOHC SC VIN 3 SFI

03-6-2 MAR 03 Engine - Oil Leak From R/H Cylinder Head Gasket
02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement

Bulletins for 2002 Ford Truck F 150 2WD Lightning V8-330 5.4L SOHC SC VIN 3 SFI

02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement


Bulletins for 2003 Ford Truck F 150 2WD Pickup V8-330 5.4L SOHC SC VIN 3 SFI

02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check

 

The POINT IS...........

You make the claim he is the BEST...........
Iam calling you on that..........Nothing More...Nothing Less

Those valve springs, with all the nitrous you shoved thru the motor, with the damage your heads showed, where indeed WORN, HEAT FATIGUED, ETC So its a no brainer that they where not up to snuff.

Lets make another thing VERY CLEAR............I never mentioned Sals name, you did. So where the F you got that, I'd like to know. Probably another one of your smoke induced flash-backs.

So the ony one who's talking stupid here is you. Claiming somebody is the best, then making the statment your pissed off about the springs
Going with the factory valves, rather than stainless valves is another story, especially with plugs breaking and passing thru the combustion chamber.

As far as your weaping comment, just look at the last 20 or so post you made. You might just want to think that comment again.

As far as St Louis's motor build,
I hope for nothing but the best for you

 

Wow Bro, been drinking all day
OR SOMETHING ?

First off I never said SAL's the best engine builder in the world, (well maybe I did BUT NOT IN THIS POST, hehehehe) What I said is exaclty what I quoted twice for you now. Read is again and it'll say I believe I have the best bullet proff motor as a result of all the time and effort that went in to my clearances and tolerances.

And for the record only a few lines in the post were even directed towards YOU. I agreed with you A$$HOLE READ BRO READ. Someone else mentioned cause they werent giving to me I didnt change them.
And I never said you said anything about Sal, I said WE cant blame Sal,
meaning no one can blame Sal for using the springs after a famous Race Engine Builder tore it down and DID NOT report any thing to us indicating there was a problem with the springs. And also pointed out untill we change them we honestly DO NOT know FOR SURE it is even a probelm. What we do know is the people that have changed them picked up HP up in the very high RPM range of 4800 - 5500 RPM. However I do once again agree with you, that lookign back I'm sure my years of 6k shifting and a hell of a lot of nitrous most likely DID wear those springs, and for that reason YES I have mentioned in the past my feelings on WHY NO ONE TOLD ME TO CHANGE THEM.

But the point I was making ONCE AGAIN, is that EVERYONE IN THE FRIGGING WORLD KNOWS there are issues with Lightning and leaky Head Gaskets, you yourself went through a couple of sets, What I was pointing out is the problem is the Block and Heads, (as seen in fords own writing in those TSB's). WE FIXED THAT, but many others DONT, they just bolt heads on a Block, and I BELIEVE thats a HUGE no no. So just as you believe using springs with 13K on them is bad, I think bolting heads on a warped block is. And guess what, it's ok for each of us to have a differant opinion.

Now what ever the hells up your *** over me and my post, cool out dude,
I'll shut your *** up once and for all on the 1320 in a couple of weeks

THATS RIGHT, I'M CALLING YOU OUT LOSER
Me with N20, against you WITHOUT. Thats the only way it would be fair
And if your ready for the foot race, my offer still stands,
ME AND YOU, THE 1320
ON FOOT
And I am going to kick you in the ***** right before I take off

 

As far as lifting heads I lifted both my heads and did have my heads decked as well as the block. This was when we put 26 lb of boost to the engine.

Since then and after talking with Crower they recomended 118 lb of seat pressure for my stage 3 set up. I also torque my heads to 80 ft lb and so far so good. I'm running a 10 lb lower and a 2 lb upper.

I was one of the Ford employees who was upset about the deck surface stuff. I don't make the 5.4 but I Mgr the 4.6 and we do an hrly 110 pnt check for head deck surface.

God Bless,

Suavy

 

Suavy

You should talk to Sal, cause I have watched BRAND NEW Ford crate motors come into his shop, one after the next after the next, and EACH ONE has been found to have the same problems, bad deck heights, some are bowed, warped, you name it. Lets face the facts Ford didnt write those TSB's saying to check the straightness on the Motor for nothing, or metion the leaky heads, or ok them to change gaskets, or or or...
Dont ever take it personal Suavy, but the facts are the facts, and they are very clear, even in Fords eyes in this case.

 

Nice comeback
Is that the best you can do

The ONLY FRIGGIN POINT is this.............

You made the statment----THE BEST ENGINE BUILDER

I counter with the stock springs and stock valves issue YOU have. You remember the many times you told me over the phone you where not happy, or has the many years of taken its toll?
As you say, the facts are the facts

Get off your WOOOO HOOOO horse and you reread what you have posted tonight. Then reconsider what I question you on. Quit making a mountain out of a molehill.

You say BEST
I say BULLCHIT

 

Gator, you shouldn't make stupid comments on things you know nothing about. I've noticed you doing that a lot lately; getting your little "digs" in here and there, trying to go un-noticed.

Rob's heads were checked in every detail. Valve guides, seats, spring pressures, clearances, etc. Things that were found out of spec, WERE fixed/replaced (like his worn out exhaust guides). His stock springs spec'ed out good tp stock specs. That's what he wanted, fresh stock heads, and that's what he got. You keep trying to make your little digs towards me and my engine builder about Rob's "stock" spec heads. I really don't appreciated it.

 

The BEST engine builder is always a relative thing....I thought I was dealing with the BEST in my area till I fired the dumb bastard the other day....now I am going with the new BEST but he is a little bit farther out of the way and a pain to get to but....Onward and Upward I always say .
Dale

PS...you guys play nice or I'm gonna have to come in here and kick some asses

 

Sal

You make the comment, that Iam making "digs" as you put it.
First, are you trying to tell me that, Robs valve springs where as good as a set of brand new Ford springs?
Even after post after post of Rob telling tales of 6K shifts, WOOOO-HOOOO's racing at 100 on the highway? Many nitrous bottles run thru his motor?
Remember the pics of his bearings? Sure is hard to believe that a set of valve springs would be in "good" condition if the bottom end was in that shape.

And let me make something..........VERY CLEAR

I DID NOT any "digs" towards you. I sure as hell don't see any. And the only "digs" as you put it, that I make towards your engine builder, is Robs calling him the BEST !!!

So any "stupid comments" being made sure as hell aren't coming from here