Rob, there is nothing wrong with you expressing your opinon/joy of the MP. With any product there will be differences in opinions. Hopefully, these differences will help others make the right descision on whether to buy the MP or not. I don't think anyone is disputing the usefullness of the MP, in the right application.

 

I think we'll have to wait a while longer for the definitive comparison between the Eaton and the M/P. Has anyone considered porting the M/P to compare it to the Apten Eatons? You know, a little apples to apples action. There seems to be quite a bit of removable material on the outlet side of the M/P.

 

Like I said in the other thread to you Rob, I think the MP has a place too. It's just not of the same caliber as KB. This isn't a slight on MP, it is just that the KB does produce far more HP than the MP. Just as I believe the MP will make more H.P. than ported, although some of the better ported Eatons, such as the Apten that I had, seem to give the MP a run for it's money.

As for failures, your statements make it sound like it's hard to ge a KB that will work right. Nothing could be further from true. The 2003 thread was....2 YEARS AGO...that is a long time in the performance market. I have yet to hear of anyone with a legitimate problem get the cold shoulder from KB.

KB, no matter what you and Gator stirred up in some post 2 years ago, has stood behind their product 100%.

It's OK to pump your favorite vendors product in exchange for good deals. You should just leave off the trashing of others products. Negative selling rarely works consistently.


Rocks

 

I just wish somebody could get definitive results out of the magnum. I currently have an apten, and i figure whenever that gets shot, ill upgrade to something. Freddy and John's stock block trucks are running fast, so i think thats a plus for MP. Freddy or john, how much HP did you pick up by bolting on the MP? I'm sure both of you dyno'd w/ the eaton plenty of times, then added the MP. Interested to hear what you gained. It seems every thread about the MP turns into it not being a KB, and i really dont see where anybody says it is as good, they just like the cheaper option. If everybody wasnt' so PRO whatever product they owned, maybe you could learn somethin on here. I think these threads always get too much personal purchase pride.........if there's a such thing.....
I'd like to see somebody/tuner, take all available blowers, and give us a run down. I know it would take too much time and money.......but here's hopin

 

THAT WOULD ROCK!

Here's the run down:

2 motors - 1 built, 1 stock

3 blowers - 1 KB, 1 MP, 1 Steig Eaton - vendors sponsor the blowers

pulley for 15 psi, pulley for 18 psi, pulley for 20 psi

same truck, 3 dyno runs for each config - report HP & Trq as average of three

You could use two test trucks one for the built, one for the stock lower

1) Baseline dyno for stock Eaton blower 3 runs each pulley setup (18 total)

2) ported Eaton on each truck, 3 runs each pulley setup (18 total)

3) same rotors pulled and put into MP case on each truck, 3 runs each pulley setup (18 total)

4) KB on each truck, 3 runs each pulley setup (18 total)

Post and compore results - after 72 dyno pulls!!!

That's why we don't have real comparative data.

It would be a sweet flog sesion though,
Herb

 

I have received a few, 5 or so, Magnum nose assemblies back for “leaking” that I warranted. I just got one a few days ago and the lip of the seal was ripped up around ¼ of its circumference because the lip was rubbing against the bearing race. I have since switched to a seal that I have used for years in another supercharger that is made such that there is a space between the lip and the bearing race so this failure mechanism has been eliminated. If you guys know of Magnum owners who have leaking nose assemblies and want them fixed have them the send me an email at: charles_warner@mindspring.com and I will take care of them. If I don’t know someone is having an issue how can I do anything to correct the problem?

BTW, I think we all bought our Lightnings to have FUN. Getting all upset and having blower wars isn’t what most of us think is fun at least that’s what I think. All products have their pros and cons and there is a place for them all. The KB and ported Eaton are great alternatives if they fit the customer’s goals and budget. The Magnum is in the middle and is a great solution for those wanting to run 11’s with a stock long block or 10’s with a built motor at a very affordable price. Peace guys, lets have some fun here.

Charles

 

Good post and good customer service Charles.

I am not yet ready for a blower (OK - I am ready, my wallet isn't), but I am researching to BE ready. Responses to things like this matter, at least to me.

Customer care rates high on alot of peoples priority list .

Herb

 

NO Its not ....


Thats ALWAYS true....

 

Your right Doug.....it's not alright to pump products for good deals. When I read that seperated out from the post, it just hit me how screwed up it is to do that. But that is exactly what is happening.


Rocks

 

Yes there IS such a thing. Mix in a little over-inflated ego and you have a recipe for disaster.

When I switched to the MP I was running a 2 pound lower, 2.93 upper, and an unported Eaton, in the vicinity of 435/522.
The bolt on blower swap netted a gain of 35HP and 10TQ.
To say the least I was furious. And I told JDM how I felt:"WTF Jim....I coulda got a port job for over a grand less!"
JDM told me that the MP wasn't designed to be run with a 2 pounder and that I should try a four pounder. Jim told me that if I didn't like the results with the four pounder, he would put everything back the way it was, no charge.
My feelings were that there is no way that the two to four swap would would get me anywhere close to what he was talking so I said: "OK......Show Me."
He bolted on the Metco 4 pounder and we gained another 30HP, and get this, 65 TQ! I have NEVER posted that before because NO ONE would believe that a swap from 2 to 4 would net a result of 30HP/60TQ. But it did with the Magnum. Gain from the MP and the 4 pounder total 65HP/70TQ
At 15-16 Boost it performed much like Port Job. At 18-20 it hit it's "Sweet Spot" and went Ape *****.
That is why people say:"You gotta spin a Magnum to make it work!"

Someone else's results may differ, but this was my experience.

Laters,
FastFreddy





PS: Happy Easter!

 

I'm not a big Dyno fan, probably should be, but believe my numbers are close to FF's. I run a six pound most of the time because it really gives you seat of the pants torque (601).
I simply wanted a reasonably safe stock block truck that could run consistent 11's. It has proven that with multiple runs in hot and cool weather. I have never considered it as a competitor to a twin-screw but it has now exceeded my expectations and may well indeed become a blower that under the right conditions can compete with twin screw design blowers. I also thought seriously about a ported blower but spent the extra bucks on my MP because i wanted a blower that i could take and bolt on to a built block when i go that route and run consistent high 10's. I have no doubts that this will happen and several guys (Rob/Gator) will soon prove it. Ya gotta think ahead. Peace.

 

Awesome numbers freddy. Uncorrected or corrected? what psi are both of you guys getting. Oh, and one more thing, could you name your fuel mods if any? Maf?
Just trying to get as much info as possible, I'll probably upgrade my blower sometime soon. Thanks !!!
Derek

 

Corrected.
Boost=18(summer)-21(winter) PSI
I put 50 pound injectors in and lost 8hp, but the A/F looks better.
Stock pumps.


FF

 

Ok thats cool. So in the summer i could run 18, which i'm comfortable doing. the 21psi in the winter is a lil much for me though, i'd have to knock that number down some. I put roughly 20k a year on my truck, so it gets some miles. I typically drag race for a good number/after mods, i dont get too caught up in the ET bracket stuff, i dont want to beat on the truck too much. You guys have gotten great results, your right up there w/ the stock block KB boys! The magnum looks to be a viable option for me........we'll jsut have to see how the whipple pans out when its released. Also, does anybody run a magnum using diablosport programming? or is that sumthing i'd have to change as well? Laterr

 

WOW..............

Who whould have every thought this would have turned ulgy
Nice post M.O.P

And has every Magnum owner knows and everyone see's here, Charles from Magnum, has customer service is second to none.
As I was going to purchase a KB, but there where too many unanswered questions for me to drop 3K $$.
Too ALL the KB users that have never had any problems, Iam truley happy for you. Maybe if I'd had spoken to the many that have had no problems, then I might have purchased one. But as it turned out, every KB owner that I know of, has sent theirs back for locking up/noise in the nose cone Some more than once!

KB has stood behind everyone that I know off, but R & R'in my blower and sending it back to the manufactor isn't/wasn't in my plans.

Iam just very happy for the happy KB owners and very happy myself with my Magnum