IHRA Response to Roll Bar Rules
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IHRA Response to Roll Bar Rules
I received my response to the roll bar question today, from Mike Baker, who is the IHRA's senior tech guy.
He informed me that the rulebook "verbiage" has not changed and still means as it always has. He said rear bars are still required. He did say that he has never personally measured someone's rear bar angle, but that it does have to be at an angle good enough to prevent collapse, and that the 30 degree minimum I stated was a good guideline. He also said that the bar must be constructed as outlined in the picture, as a minimum. You can add onto it if you like, but it must contain a main hoop, drivers side bar and two rear braces.
So there's the official answer, which of course everyone here except Jamie already knew.
He informed me that the rulebook "verbiage" has not changed and still means as it always has. He said rear bars are still required. He did say that he has never personally measured someone's rear bar angle, but that it does have to be at an angle good enough to prevent collapse, and that the 30 degree minimum I stated was a good guideline. He also said that the bar must be constructed as outlined in the picture, as a minimum. You can add onto it if you like, but it must contain a main hoop, drivers side bar and two rear braces.
So there's the official answer, which of course everyone here except Jamie already knew.
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While it may not be rule worthy, my buddy has a Dakota that runs consistant 11.0's and he has never been hassled about his cage which does not come through his rear window.
I'm sure you all are correct rules wise, just offering my little bit of useless knowledge
I'm sure you all are correct rules wise, just offering my little bit of useless knowledge
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Re: IHRA Response to Roll Bar Rules
Originally posted by LightningTuner
I received my response to the roll bar question today, from Mike Baker, who is the IHRA's senior tech guy.
He informed me that the rulebook "verbiage" has not changed and still means as it always has. He said rear bars are still required. He did say that he has never personally measured someone's rear bar angle, but that it does have to be at an angle good enough to prevent collapse, and that the 30 degree minimum I stated was a good guideline. He also said that the bar must be constructed as outlined in the picture, as a minimum. You can add onto it if you like, but it must contain a main hoop, drivers side bar and two rear braces.
So there's the official answer, which of course everyone here except Jamie already knew.
I received my response to the roll bar question today, from Mike Baker, who is the IHRA's senior tech guy.
He informed me that the rulebook "verbiage" has not changed and still means as it always has. He said rear bars are still required. He did say that he has never personally measured someone's rear bar angle, but that it does have to be at an angle good enough to prevent collapse, and that the 30 degree minimum I stated was a good guideline. He also said that the bar must be constructed as outlined in the picture, as a minimum. You can add onto it if you like, but it must contain a main hoop, drivers side bar and two rear braces.
So there's the official answer, which of course everyone here except Jamie already knew.
The "verbiage" has not changed..... Well did he say why they changed the words if it "means" the same thing?
As I has said the removal of the word rear in the 2005 rulebook made me think that the rule had changed!
As far as the 30 degree "rule"... Is that your way of saying that you were WRONG buddy??
30 degrees are NOT REQUIRED after all, huh??
After all, that thread was asking what was required, not suggested and you said it was required didn't you??
Ok, I'll have the ***** to admit I was wrong about my interpretation of the rear bar rule...
Let's see if you're man enough to admit you were wrong...
BTW...I made every effort to stress that my thoughts were my interpretation of the rules and that I wanted a clarification from IHRA...you on the other hand were saying that there was NO DOUBT that you were right and had been building cages for 50 years and that they have always had to be 30 degrees...
So who was more wrong??
Sal and Ron: I know your childish behavior and sarcasm is supposed to be funny, but lets keep this conversation on an adult level okay?
The whole last thread which was intended to determine what is required, there were misconceptions on my part AND Sal's, now it has been cleared up...end of story!
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Originally posted by WaveBlaster785
While it may not be rule worthy, my buddy has a Dakota that runs consistant 11.0's and he has never been hassled about his cage which does not come through his rear window.
I'm sure you all are correct rules wise, just offering my little bit of useless knowledge
While it may not be rule worthy, my buddy has a Dakota that runs consistant 11.0's and he has never been hassled about his cage which does not come through his rear window.
I'm sure you all are correct rules wise, just offering my little bit of useless knowledge
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Re: Re: IHRA Response to Roll Bar Rules
Originally posted by fomocofan
The "verbiage" has not changed..... Well did he say why they changed the words if it "means" the same thing?
As I has said the removal of the word rear in the 2005 rulebook made me think that the rule had changed!
As far as the 30 degree "rule"... Is that your way of saying that you were WRONG buddy??
30 degrees are NOT REQUIRED after all, huh??
After all, that thread was asking what was required, not suggested and you said it was required didn't you??
Ok, I'll have the ***** to admit I was wrong about my interpretation of the rear bar rule...
Let's see if you're man enough to admit you were wrong...
BTW...I made every effort to stress that my thoughts were my interpretation of the rules and that I wanted a clarification from IHRA...you on the other hand were saying that there was NO DOUBT that you were right and had been building cages for 50 years and that they have always had to be 30 degrees...
So who was more wrong??
Sal and Ron: I know your childish behavior and sarcasm is supposed to be funny, but lets keep this conversation on an adult level okay?
The whole last thread which was intended to determine what is required, there were misconceptions on my part AND Sal's, now it has been cleared up...end of story!
The "verbiage" has not changed..... Well did he say why they changed the words if it "means" the same thing?
As I has said the removal of the word rear in the 2005 rulebook made me think that the rule had changed!
As far as the 30 degree "rule"... Is that your way of saying that you were WRONG buddy??
30 degrees are NOT REQUIRED after all, huh??
After all, that thread was asking what was required, not suggested and you said it was required didn't you??
Ok, I'll have the ***** to admit I was wrong about my interpretation of the rear bar rule...
Let's see if you're man enough to admit you were wrong...
BTW...I made every effort to stress that my thoughts were my interpretation of the rules and that I wanted a clarification from IHRA...you on the other hand were saying that there was NO DOUBT that you were right and had been building cages for 50 years and that they have always had to be 30 degrees...
So who was more wrong??
Sal and Ron: I know your childish behavior and sarcasm is supposed to be funny, but lets keep this conversation on an adult level okay?
The whole last thread which was intended to determine what is required, there were misconceptions on my part AND Sal's, now it has been cleared up...end of story!
You have been picking pointless - unwinnable fights on the internet since the end of FFW last year - An embarrasing thread on FFW forums full of acusations and childishness etc and now going on and on about interpretations of roll bar rules.
I understand you are upset about the truck thing from FFW - I dont blame you, Ford pulled a fast one and FFW let it happen with no decent explanation. BUT its over - Let it go - The stress will kill you - Move on ....
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fomoco,
How about contacting the powers at be yourself and assisting to clarify the rules instead of nit-picking at those that are trying to do the same.
Either you're part of the solution or part of the problem.
edit:
GASP - Doug and I are on the same page.
Bob
How about contacting the powers at be yourself and assisting to clarify the rules instead of nit-picking at those that are trying to do the same.
Either you're part of the solution or part of the problem.
edit:
GASP - Doug and I are on the same page.
Bob
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Rear braces ARE required under IHRA roll bar rules
In a previous thread, fomocofan stated that:
"It is pretty clearly printed that the brace bars (two requirred) MUST originate from a point off the main hoop "within 5" from the top of the bar".
As far as going through the back window....There is no requirement for any particular angle or degree or even a direction...only that the main hoop is to be "sufficciently braced to prevent forward movement"....
The brace bars could remain within the cab, simply run them forward from the top of the bar towards the floorboards. One obviously along the pass. side and one from the drivers side that goes along the roofline and then down by the dash to the floor (similar to a rollcage upper brace).. You will also need to have a second drivers side bar same as before (insecting the drivers body at the mid-point...) and a cross brace on the main hoop..
Anyway, bottom line is that there are no rules that say the bars have to go rearward, so an in-cab bar would be allowed."
For about 200 posts, fomocofan continued to argue that he was right and the rest of the world just did not know how to read a rulebook.
Well, we finally have the Word of God on the issue:
For a roll bar under the IHRA rules, a rear brace is required and has always been required.
I have it directly from Mike Baker, IHRA Director of Competition & Technical Services and Don Phillips, Tech Director of Cape Breton Dragway.
1. A roll cage must have rear bars exactly as shown in the image.
2. Rear bars have always been required.
3. The deletion of the word "rear" from the former phrase "rear braces" was meant to indicate that all braces must be the same size as the main hoop, not just the rear braces.
Also, swingouts are apparently no longer allowed, as that sentence was deleted from the 05 IHRA rulebook and Mike plainly stated that "All bars must have braces permanently attached just like the diagram."
Sooooo . . .
For those of you keeping score at home:
fomocofan: 0
everyone else: 1
"It is pretty clearly printed that the brace bars (two requirred) MUST originate from a point off the main hoop "within 5" from the top of the bar".
As far as going through the back window....There is no requirement for any particular angle or degree or even a direction...only that the main hoop is to be "sufficciently braced to prevent forward movement"....
The brace bars could remain within the cab, simply run them forward from the top of the bar towards the floorboards. One obviously along the pass. side and one from the drivers side that goes along the roofline and then down by the dash to the floor (similar to a rollcage upper brace).. You will also need to have a second drivers side bar same as before (insecting the drivers body at the mid-point...) and a cross brace on the main hoop..
Anyway, bottom line is that there are no rules that say the bars have to go rearward, so an in-cab bar would be allowed."
For about 200 posts, fomocofan continued to argue that he was right and the rest of the world just did not know how to read a rulebook.
Well, we finally have the Word of God on the issue:
For a roll bar under the IHRA rules, a rear brace is required and has always been required.
I have it directly from Mike Baker, IHRA Director of Competition & Technical Services and Don Phillips, Tech Director of Cape Breton Dragway.
1. A roll cage must have rear bars exactly as shown in the image.
2. Rear bars have always been required.
3. The deletion of the word "rear" from the former phrase "rear braces" was meant to indicate that all braces must be the same size as the main hoop, not just the rear braces.
Also, swingouts are apparently no longer allowed, as that sentence was deleted from the 05 IHRA rulebook and Mike plainly stated that "All bars must have braces permanently attached just like the diagram."
Sooooo . . .
For those of you keeping score at home:
fomocofan: 0
everyone else: 1
