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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 09:45 AM
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Raced a GTO at the track and it wasnt very impressing. If my memory serves me right he ran a high 13 or low 14. He said he couldnt hook and i am sure he was right. He was also new to drag racing. I owned a 67 goat when i was in high school and have alway loved GTOs but i dont like the new styling.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 09:45 AM
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Saw one running 11's at Bradenton last March FWIW...
Nice interior... Boring exterior
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Herb101
Timeslip???

Magazine times don't mean much at all...

Real world numbers are usually close to a second slower.

Magazines get to test car because the manufacturer wants to sell them.

Magazines are for advertising. If it's a 12.9 car, post up a timeslip for it.

Benchracing only counts if the bench is under your butt while your racing for real.

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Except for the fact that this was a Muscle Mustang Mag. and they have nothing to gain by making the GTO look good. If anything they gave it praise for what thats worth.BTW the mags are usually in the ball park with their times...especially when it comes to a comparison shoot-out and the car in topic is the loser. Think about it.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 10:59 AM
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Timeslip???

Magazine times don't mean much at all...

Real world numbers are usually close to a second slower.

Magazines get to test car because the manufacturer wants to sell them. The cars are usually ringgers, as are the drivers and everything is a 'corrected' time. When is the last time you saw a timeslip in the magazine. Or for that matter, when is the last time someone knowledgable accepted a 'correct' time for your car as fact.

Magazines are for advertising. If it's a 12.9 car, post up a timeslip for it.

Benchracing only counts if the bench is under your butt while your racing for real.

Herb
So are we to assume a Lightning is slower than a 14.1 that one of the magazines reported as the 1/4 mile time? I know, it was a conspiracy against Ford during that test.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Herb101
Timeslip???

Magazine times don't mean much at all...

Real world numbers are usually close to a second slower.

Magazines get to test car because the manufacturer wants to sell them. The cars are usually ringgers, as are the drivers and everything is a 'corrected' time. When is the last time you saw a timeslip in the magazine. Or for that matter, when is the last time someone knowledgable accepted a 'correct' time for your car as fact.

Magazines are for advertising. If it's a 12.9 car, post up a timeslip for it.

Benchracing only counts if the bench is under your butt while your racing for real.

Herb
Hey guys, I was reading in the drag racing section from the LS1GTO forums and found these timeslips posted from last Saturday at Cecil. Like the L's that have ran there recently there have been a number of personal bests. This particular weekend there were 3 GTO's all running consistant 13.1 to 13.3's. All three GTO's were 100% stock.

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I know the mags and a few of my ol L bros have commented about mundaine or boring styling. I had a '65 GTO 389 4-speed and now have an '04. I personally love the styling. Nice and stealthy to sneak up on the unsespecting. But I will tell you one thing. I don't take this car anywhere without having people walk up and ask me about the car, how I like it, how fast it is, and how really cool they think it is.

Is the GTO faster than an L? Hell no. My L would spank my GTO like a red headed stepchild. Stock for stock with equivelant drivers would be a toss up. I'd say whoever got traction first would win. But, I'd say the L responds much better to the simple bolt ons than a GTO will.

Either way, they're both a whole lot of fun. I had my L for almost 1 1/2 years and loved every minute of it. I've had the GTO for 5 or 6 weeks and love it too. I just know I'm happy there's so much choice in the high performance auto industry right now. I say we all win here.

Photo of my new daily driver:
 

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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There is actually something to that. Compare the magazine time that are reported for the L when tested by itself vs. the times reported when it was compared to the SRT-10.

And actually, I have seen L's (fully stock, possible bad track prep) run 14.2 to 14.4 quarter mile times.

It took me a couple passes to break past 14's when I was stock.

Think back to when the F-bodies started to heat up again (~94). I was driving a Mustang GT to much better times than the magazines showed. Every benchracer around kept talking about the new Camaro whipping it in the 1/4 due to magazine time. Somebody finally stepped up and bought one and lost, again and again. These cars were nowhere near magazine times without mods.

I will say that (except for the stilted dethroning articles bias toward the SRT-10), the magazine press for the L's have been resonably close. Being a stab-n-grab ride with no gear stirring helps to hide the ringer driver crap though.

Herb
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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You must have driven a lemon. They are good for mid to high 13 second times.It barley got beaten by the Mach I in a recent magazine shootout (by 2 tenths or something). My friends yellow GTO is pretty darn fast. Just my 2 cents. I do agree about the styling, lack luster at best. GM is supposed to take back the the control of the car next year and is supposedly re-designing the body front to back according the Automobile magazine. It should look a lot better.
have a buddy with one and he is a great driver...went 14.3, another buddy that is a great driver thought he could do better was 1/10 off can't remember if it was a 14.2 or 14.4....they then hoped in a 94 lightly modded lt1 camaro and ran a 14.0....not impressed at the performance and it looks like a two door grand prix
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Herb101
There is actually something to that. Compare the magazine time that are reported for the L when tested by itself vs. the times reported when it was compared to the SRT-10.

And actually, I have seen L's (fully stock, possible bad track prep) run 14.2 to 14.4 quarter mile times.

It took me a couple passes to break past 14's when I was stock.


Herb
you saying you didnt break into 13's with a stock until a couple passes or after a couple passes your truck hit a few 14's?

ive seen stock trucks run 13.3's - 13.5's all day long on stock tires in 85+ degree heat
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:10 PM
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Over in the GTo forums there are plenty of 13.5 runs bone stock for 04 models w\350hp. The 05 has many changes and 400hp.
They surely wont turn heads with styling but the inside is very nice and the 400 LS2 has to have some kick.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:17 PM
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Not around here!!

If I recall properly, I went 14.5, 14.3, 14.1, 13.9 (or something like that) first time out. I got it down to a consistant 13.85 stock on 1/2 gone F1's with 60's in the 2.1 range.

This is fairly on target with the other stock L's that I've seen run.

With my mods (chip, 5#, CAI, Hi-flo cats) I've seen a best of 13.1 but not much traction with a 1.9 60 ft. I've got a set of ET steets and a pair of 58" bars under the tree that should help me into the 12's.

San Antonio seems to be a slow town! I've not seen ANYONE stock running mid 13's - not at Alamo Dragway or SAR...

Our 'normal' racing season day is 78-90 degrees and 60-90% rh and the track is at 600 ft.

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:32 PM
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the mid 13 runs ive seen for stock L's was at richmond va in the summer time.. pretty much at sea level
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:33 PM
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The original GTO was the first American Muscle Car. I'ts a shame GM decided to import this plane Jane Holden, and call it a GTO.
the original was a rebadged Lemans. its hay day ended about 30 years ago and this car is born of the same spirit as the original.
performance! Put big engine in a mid size car.
when the cobra was brought back in 93 what do you think the guys with 427 ac cobras thought?(how about the 78 KIng cobra, there was a bas a$$) seems like that has evolved and worked out ok. give GM a chance to bring this car along.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by litnfast
Saw one running 11's at Bradenton last March FWIW...
Nice interior... Boring exterior
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That was more than likely the BMR Project GTO (my friends car). They are down to a 10.23 1/4 with 300 shot of nitrous in a 406 c.i. LS1 block. Keep in mind this car weighs 4,000 lbs with driver. They are shooting for high 9's in the next couple of months...
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 02:08 PM
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Reportedly the time (for a GTO) will depend on if it's an auto or stick. I suspect the stick gets a lower rear end. Of couse the driver can make a big difference. I imagine the 05 GTO with 400 HP and manual transmission is a pretty quick ride.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by SVTARKANSAS
Reportedly the time (for a GTO) will depend on if it's an auto or stick. I suspect the stick gets a lower rear end. Of couse the driver can make a big difference. I imagine the 05 GTO with 400 HP and manual transmission is a pretty quick ride.
05 sounds ok to me... I'm with everyone else, its a little short on looks...

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