So would it be easy to say that against a non ported eaton at the same 16-17#'s boost that 80 rwhp can be seen?

 

On the dyno with my unported eaton,no electric fan,waterpump i was at 422hp and 492ft lb torque.That was also with the stock upper,8lb lower and 20 degrees timing on race gas.So from those #s i would say 80hp gains should be easy.

 

So here is proof that the MP is not junk, and isn't a waste of money and will do everything that Jim@JDM said it would do. I personally seen the results on the dyno and at the track, and this only backs it up. Thanks for the post. Great info!!!

Nice numbers too!!!

 

Rob=good to see u again today,looking foward to lots of racing with u this upcomming season.Thanx for the pics.

Josh=I'll see you tommorow,I'm sure we can work something out with my eaton.I'd like to see it go to someone i know.Peace.

 

Thanx Tallimeca,Now just wait and see what its gonna do with a bigger pulley and a self port job.lol..

 

lol Jay....dont turn ur back or it might just grow legs and walk off on its own lol I'll throw you a call when I wake up tomorrow afternoon. LoL

 

Following up on what someone else asked. I would asume the MP blower is best suited for a built motor that can handle the higher boost from being spun fster? I would also assume a stock motor that can't handle the high boost and power would be a waste of money overall as benefits would be minimal?

 

Sal are you saying that JLP's test was not tuned right and not the right combination of parts? Since you came on My thread and tried to say you would make big results
All I have to say is with My combination of parts and Johnny's tune, very conservative and with quite a bit less timing than you tested with, we smoked your test with my Apten blower. It seems that the two trucks tested (mine and your customers) were both built lower ends and had cams and head work.
your graph
mine
sorry for the rant but. This blower will work on some combinations but doen't be coming on here and trying to say our test was not real and we didn't have th eright combination of parts or our tune was not good.
Josh

 

well now we have 2 tuners saying it does work, and one saying it doesn't.........

we need more proof

I think the best proof would be on a stock block , bolt on truck. Run the ported, then the mp and see what the results are.

Most guys with built motors are gonna go the KB route, at least that's what the consensus on the boards seems to be.

 

I never said either of those things; way to make stuff up.

What I said on your thread, was that I had a unit coming, and would be doing our own testing. That's it. I never said anything about what Johnny did, and I never said anything about that I'd get better results.

I also could care less about what testing other tuners did. They have their tests, I have mine. I have certain ways of doing things that I believe to be the best and proper way. I have no idea how other tuners do their testing, so until I see the results myself in person, other people's testing means nothing to me.

In my test, I took a truck, did a bunch of stuff, and reported everything here in this post. What the public wants to make of my results is up to them. If you have the "same combo" and didn't see these results, I can't really comment on that because I didn't do the work.

 

very nice work sal

i for one knew it would pass the test.

i remeber out in california after we made my dyno runs you gave mike dunn that funny smirk.

me and mike were debating the temps lol

 

I do believe your #s are std to my sae.Your cams are stage 3?Maybee you should see what your smoking first before posting?There's a differance.

 

Nobody wants to do a test on a stock block bolt on truck, because the MP really doesn't offer much over an Apten ported blower for a stock block application. Unless you have a built engine and can spin it up enough to run some good numbers, the $$$/HP ratio is not good. Testing done locally only gave the MP a 14 RHWP/torque advantage over an Apten ported Eaton on a serious bolt on truck. Using the same truck in another test (with Apten ported Eaton on it), simply by swapping the stock upper plenum with the new C&L gave it a little over 10 RWHP and 26 lbft of torque. So would you rather spend $1400 for a blower that gave you 14 RWHP/torque or $270 for a plenum that gave you 10 RWHP and 26 lbft torque? I think as everyone knows results will vary on a truck by truck basis, so more testing of Aptens vs. MP's on stock block trucks would be great, but I bet the results would be very similar to the testing done here. A stock block test done with a stock Eaton vs MP would of course show better before/after results, but I think the test everyone is really interested in is the ported blower vs MP.

The only application I can see the MP being a good choice in is this exact scenario described here. Built block, ported heads, and pullied up, the MP really shows where it belongs. It might not turn quite the numbers a KB would on the same truck, but for 1/2 the price, it's a very good choice.

 

From reading this thread:

While the MP is safe to run on a stock block, don't expect to see SUBSTANTIAL gains. From reading this thread it appears that the MP delivers maximum performance when spun the fastest. Meaning a 8# or higher lower pulley. If that is the case, it is not wise to put a 8# lower on a Stock block and perhaps that is where the difference in results come from.

Lets not forget that Suavy had a 16# lower pulley and spun the cr@p out of the MP blower and it held strong.


So just because there is a difference in different tests, those differences can be attributed to just that.... DIFFERENT TESTS.

Where the Eaton starts to drop off the MP comes to life and delivers more and more power.

I wish to thank ALL tuners for thier input in testing the MP.

Here it seems the scientific method was tested as much as possible (Mr. Skelton would be proud)
Using the same truck, tune, dyno and weather conditions and only swapping the bower.

 

i have run my magnum with a 6 and a 8lb lower

and i had a difrence in ET by only 0.030 in the quarter on the same day.

one thing people forget is the way the magnum generates the boost you can run more boost safely


the same way the racetested nitrous controler works

in the beginning of the run or lower rpm's you get less boost

when you are at the top of the rpm's you get more boost