Great results Brian
Congratulations Jim.
Another JDM motor set to rule.

I have to look into one of these

Jim your description of Grey was right on. That guy cracks me up

 

YaaaaaHOOOOOO! IT'S ON NOW....ROTFLMAO!!!!

This beats heck out of Monday night rasslin.

Oh yeah.....free post!!!!! In befoe da lock!!!!


Rocks

 

But with the negative and snide way you posted it makes it look as though you have nothing other then a dislike for JDM.

So instead of taking your post as "constructive " or "helpful" you indeed turned a positive into a negative by making yourself look like an *** and hijacking someone elses thread.Congratulations on your achievement.




Congratulations guys on the great dyno numbers.

 

I could care less if you think my post was less than constructive or helpful and my intention wasnt to hijack the thread.

Jim was asked to chime in by Brian to explain why his dyno's A/F's were reading lean and then Jim posted a flat out distortion of the truth just to cover his ***.

He could have said "yeah, that run was lean and we are going to fix it", but no, he had to make up an obvious distortion of the truth that he thought would be accepted by all that read it.

Trust me, I read it numerous times and had my response typed up many times and then decided not to post it, but after reading the technobabble over and over again, I decided to post what I know is the truth about A/F sensors on Dynojet equipment and how they work.

So if a few people learned something and realize that Jim was once again caught in a distortion of the truth, then thats fine with me. I know for a fact that many have read what Jim said and wanted to post the same but didnt want to for fear of the very same lambasting thats going on now.

I dont care what anyone thinks of my post
I doesnt matter to me who posts distortions of the truth, if it were REM, JLP,PSP or JDM, and I know the real facts and how something really works, I'm going to pass that info along.

If it seems like I am out to bash JDM , I am not, but, they are the only ones making false statements. Anyone care to disagree with me? I didnt think so.

Like I have previously stated, great dyno numbers Brian, that should get you a 10 for sure

So lets revue shall we?

If it werent for my posts, you guys would be running around thinking that cats melt because of a lean tune, you would also be thinking that A/F readings on a Dynojet dyno could be reading incorrectly because the sensor wasnt warmed up. I could go on and on, but I dont have time, Duty calls.

AY 2004 CIA

 

Let’s keep this on topic.

We are talking about Brian’s Dyno run....

The group I run with in Texas uses the little cold temperatures we get to our advantage all the time. We often go to the dyno on those dreadfully cold 40 degree days. It’s easy to post great numbers on those days. Doesn’t mean you can run that at the track but that wasn’t really the question was it ....

We also go to the track in Nov or Dec Looking for 50 degree days to post Personal bests. We all do it...

As far as the Air Fuel - If Brian has A/F numbers from earlier in the day that show the A/F in safe range and all that was changed was the temp of the dyno room and the truck then I would throw out the A/F from that run too... Plus it is real easy to check a tune on an independent dyno - It only costs about $50 down here for 2 or 3 pulls.

The important thing here is that Brian is happy with the results. If it were me I would be happy I know that. 2 thumbs up Bud.

As far as quoting tech info from the dyno manufacturer, come on Grey 03, or JJ or Buford or JJ's girlfriend or who ever you are. Do You blindly believe everything you read from the OEM ? If you did then the Lightning runs 14.6 in the 1/4 mile stock. The Head gaskets on 5.4 mod motors are perfect no problems, the spark plugs never pop out on their own, the front ends don’t clunk - that’s a feature. I could go on but I think you get the idea.
You clearly dont like it but it makes sense to me. The Brian has dynos from earlier in the day that show a safe A/F. Common sense says that if the exhaust and the sensor are both dead cold then while they may be "functioning" ( providing a reading ) would you trust the numbers from them ? I wouldn't.

Here is a decent analogy: Its like turning the shower on hot and as soon as the water comes out the head is functioning and its spraying hot water cause the knobisturned all the way to hot.... If you want you can jump in... personally I prefer to wait a minute or 2...

Grey 03 - Since you mentioned Can you provide us an example where you attacked or even questioned the activities of any other vendor ?

This **** is getting SO OLD.

Lets all keep in mind that just because Jim says it doesnt make it gospel and in the same way anything that comes from the anonymous Grey03 has even less value...

If your smart everything on the Internet needs to take at least one pass thru your common sense filter.

I know Brian and I know Jim - If Brian is comfortable with the work thats more than enough for me...
The "real facts and how something really works," from an anonymous trouble maker doesnt really register in my book...

Doug

 

Since you asked a question, I guess its ok to respond here to it.

I would respond to any other vendor that posts incorrect info Doug, it just so happens that JDM is the only one doing so.

Remember how many people called them out on their phenolic spacer pricing when it was supposed to be 89 bucks but jumped to 139 when finally released? Well, what I do is kinda the same thing, I call them out (moreso Jim) on his incorrect information.

As far as trusting the OEM manufacturers info on the A/F sensor,

Dan Hourigan - Manager, Dynamometer Sales / Technical Support
Dynojet Research Inc.

This gentelmen is very concerned that his equipment is being used correctly, and as he stated to me, if the A/F's are being recorded, they are correct, so your's and Jim's cold exhaust theory is incorrect also.

I have also been to hundreds of dyno sessions involving all sorts of vehicles and have never heard any dyno operator or tuner use Jim's excuse.

Doesnt matter to me if his dyno session was lean or not, its up to him to trust the operator, I was just trying to point out that what Jim said is untrue.

My apologies to Brian, I was only trying to clarify.

You asked Doug, so I responded in kind.

Have a good day

AY 2004 91101

 

Hey Jim is the new horsepower due to SCT Software or other stuff ?


JJ,BTJ or JJ's Girlfriend- Im sure JDM will continue to use KB Blowers, As I have read on other boards, he is working close with KB on their Cobras, Does this mean JDM is now a Official KB Dealer ?

 

You blindly believe the marketing ramblings of a vendor ( Dyno Jet ) even though it makes no common sense.

To hear them tell it, the Dyno jet A/F would work with 100% accuracy in the Artic at 40 below - "If the sensor is working it is accurate." Thats funny. They have no posted operating temperature range for the sensor or the computers and circuits that are connected to it ... Maybe they should call Nasa and work on the upcoming Mars mission.

At least you admitted that you only have a hard on for Jim. Thats the first step in recovery.

In your view, out of 8 supporting vendors only one has ever posted incorrect info. Wow you must live in an alternate universe. The truth is you are ONLY concerned about what one vendor posts and you pay no attention to the stories spun by the others. We have had vendors here post that a F150 with LT tires and and after market blower ran 10's. We have has all kinds of incredible stories spun here. But you only have seen one vendor post incorrect info. LOL

Talk about bias ... Geesh ... A biased, anonymous, pain in the ***, Yeah thats the person I want to be listening to for "the truth".

 

lBigFan,

No, it wasen't done on the SCT software. We are trying some new internal combinations. To be the first to make 600 RWHP on 15 pounds of boost is an accomplishment to us. Even though we froze our *** off being that the dyno room was like 30 degrees it still put a smile on our face. I don't know what you read on other boards. We do work on a lot of Kenne Bell Cobra's and I have talked to Jim Bell on occasions about them but we are not an official KB dealer.

Jim@JDM

 

see response in separate thread.

No harm intended Brian, great dyno numbers.

Have a safe and fun season.

AY 2004 HDS

 

Grey03,

Just like your internet post it 1-800 number theory about catylitic converters and air fuel ratio numbers this goes to show you are not very intelligent. There are a number of reasons that converters go bad but you posted that the most popular one is because the vehicle is running too rich. You could talk to a couple different manufacturers of cats and they will tell you that its the exhaust charge temperature that will make the cat go bad, whether too cold or too hot. They will never tell you that it was the way it was assembled which I have gotten some cats from two different manufacturers where the packing surrounding the cat was not even installed. Or, that somebody packing the cats on the pallet accidently dropped one and cracked the brick. You will not hear that from the manufacturer. Also, having an exhaust leak can cause the cat to melt. But you want the world to know that it only happens your way.

On air fuel sensors this is my personal experience on my dyno. If they are too cold they will not read properly. That goes for the Dynojet sensor and the Horeba. If you run race fuel through the air fuel sensor it could take longer to read and also the age of the sensor plays a part. Even the temperature of the dyno room makes a difference. The bottom line is there were 5 pulls made on his truck. The air fuel was perfect except for that one run and I gave the Lightning community my explanation on it. There was only 10 more horsepower made by letting the truck run dead cold. This is the reason why I called you a bonified ****head. Whether you are JJ or not the last I spoke to JJ he said Grey03 was a very close freind of his and was not him. He also said that you ask him the questions and he gives you the answers. So, Grey03 is JJ no matter who's doing the typing. Whether you are trying to lie about me not knowing how to run my dyno or putting out vehicles with unsafe air fuel ratios. Let me remind you we have the most national wins and national champions plus the most amount of fastest street Lightnings in the world. JDM has the most amount of customers that have been with them since day one. If we were doing something wrong none of this would exist.

You are the biggest lier to the Lightning community. You've posted that you've been to events but never identified yourself as Grey03 to any other Lighning owner. You take a good thread and you turn it into **** trying to prove your point just like JJ did under his false board name of wheredidjoego. Why can you nto identify yourself? Is it because you are JJ or BufordTJustice? If you are so intent on bringing honesty to the Lightning community why do you lie about who you are?

Jim@JDM

 

for limiting the personal attacks.

 

If you get caught Jimbo, just fess up ...

LOL, talk about the pot calling the kettle back ...

 

Well, since I answer hundreds of emails everyday, I thought this was just another question. As a Lightning owner I definitely keep track of who's who and what's going on. A person did call our office yesterday and he spoke with one of my guys about our A/F system. It became apparent to me later that day when I answered an email, that the individual that called in was the author of this email:
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xxxxxxxx, the sensor has an internal heater and the dyno electronics will not report A/F until it's fully warmed up. If there was a reading on the screen, then the sensor was warmed up. If your dyno operator was using a pump, then that could be the source of error. If the pump has not been religiously maintained, the A/F values can be skewed. Ideally you would weld a boss before the cat-converters and install the wideband in that location for the best results.

Regards,


--
Dan Hourigan - Manager, Dynamometer Sales / Technical Support
Dynojet Research Inc.
dwh@dynojet.com
702-639-1113


-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:15 PM
To: autosales@dynojet.com
Subject: Help please


I recently had a dyno done to my Ford Lightning and the company used one of your dyno's. Here is the qoute from the gentlemen that did the dyno;

When we started the truck up the A/F sensor was not warmed up enough for it to read properly. I did not let it warm up because I didn't want the engine to get too hot.

The problem is that my A/F numbers were way lean and he used the above statement for the reason why. Is this an accurate statement?

The dyno sheet shows the A/F's thru the entire dyno pull, but he said it wasnt reading correctly.

Any help that you can give me would be appreciated, I know you guys make some kick *** dyno's, I just want to make sure that this guy is using it right.

Thanks

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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I removed the name reference from this email for obvious reasons. As an employee of Dynojet Research, I have certain obligations to our dyno owners. I try not to get caught up in discussions here on the boards, but I wanted to everyone to know exactly what I said.

Best Regards,

Dan Hourigan

 

Damn Dan, You tell this board the name or email of this guy and Im willing to bet JDM will give more than 464RWHP and at no charge