Why do you come across so harsh in all your posts ???

Doug

 

harsh?

he comes across as if he's disgusted by having to stoop down to communicate with other people on this board.

my question is: if he's so brilliant, why does he even bother posting here?

to educate the rest of us "mindless idiots" I suppose...

or, maybe he's just an azzhole?

 

SuperFords, I hate to bust your Bubble but the Lightning isnt the 1st Mod Motor ever built, Cams and ported heads were available for Mod Motors right after the Mod Motor was put into the Mustang in 96. Pulleys were also available in much sooner than you give credit, these motors are no different than a damn Tbird or Town car, people just make them out to be because they are in a truck. I agree that sometimes Kdanner can come off strong but he has said many times that he hates people, that doesnt mean he doesnt know what he is talking about. You work at a Ford Dealer and know these motors are all the same, I think that maybe that is Danners beef, People make them out to be a whole lot harder than they really are. These Motors are no different to work on or tune than any pushrod motor. Its all about getting the Fuel,Air and spark tuned correctly. You building your own motor and having your heads done is proof of that, it just takes a little mechanical knowledge to figure this out. Its not the Rocket Science that some Tuners or Tooners want you to think. Do you agree with the $25 Boost Bypass or Trans line mod that is marked up $70, you know it can be bought for about $10 thru jobber price ? Everybody is ******* this man for his opinions yet you guys are the majority that sidetracked this thread.

Just my 2 cents

/2500 Degree Kevlar Flamesuit on

 

got me so riled up I prematurely released my post....

j/k

I'll finish typing my reply and post in a minute.

 

well, good morning to you too...

I'm glad you've got your flamesuit on, you are going to need it. j/k

you aren't busting my bubble in any way shape or form. I welcome everyone's opinion. that's one of the things that makes this type of forum discussion great. you can get access to lots of different oppinions that you otherwise wouldn't be able to hear.


I am well aware of how long the mod motor has been in use. and while cams and ported heads MAY indeed have been available shortly after '96 let's be realistic about how many people were buying and/or using them. IF they were available, then they were priced out of reach of most people. Also, in 96-99 and even more recently than that, most people were still complaining about what an underpowered POS the 4.6 engine was compared to the 5.0 and how it was too expensive to modify. Maybe I should have clarified my earlier statement, although I didn't think it was needed because, this is the f150online LIGHTNING forum. I assumed that it was understood that my comments pertained mainly to the Lightning truck. Admittedly I was off quite a bit about the origin of the crank pulley as it pertains to our trucks. I guess the year '01 stuck in my head because early to mid 01 was the time of the dreaded JDM 2lb pulley fiasco that many remember. so I figured that 2001 would be a realistic date to say that the 4lb pulleys came to market. I've only been around Lightnings as a hobby since about that time (late 2000) so I'll certainly defer to Sal's timeline because he was here and I wasn't.


I never questioned his knowledge, I just don't understand why he's got such a rude and condescending tone with MOST of his posts. hating people is fine, believe me alot of days I can understand that emotion all too well. however that doesn't give him the right to be obnoxious to everyone he comes in contact with. or should I say that he shouldn't expect to be allowed to constantly act like an A$$ but not receive any criticism in return. I mean, you just don't call somebody a "mindless idiot" and expect that to be the end of the conversation. I'd dare venture a guess that mr. kdanner isn't quite so rude in public either. not if he likes his teeth he isn't. the internet is similar to driving your car in traffic, people get away with rude behavior that simply woundn't be acceptable if they were face to face with the people you were being rude to.


I won't go as far as to agree with you that "these motors are all the same". You can practically put a small block chevy or ford 460 together with a crescent wrench and a butter knife and have it run reasonably well for a long time. try to use the same attention to detail with a 4.6/5.4 and you'll be doing it again in relatively short order. the clearances are MUCH tighter and the torque specs are much more detailed. and of course there is the matter of cam timing. I agree, none of it is "rocket science" but it's not for everyone either. if mr kdanner believes that people are as ignorant as he treats them in some of his posts, then I bet even he would agree with that.



again, I know it's not rocket science. but the "tooners" thing is just one more example of his arrogance. again I ask if he is so disgusted by everyone here then why bother reading or posting? I don't think that the tuners try to overstate the difficulty of their products any more than other businesses do. Do you and kdanner have a problem with a Big Mac using Thousand Island dressing but calling it "secret sauce" or "special sauce" or whatever it is they call it? it's called MARKETING. you could certainly buy thousand island and put it on your own cheeseburger cheaper than paying mcd's to do it for you. I went to McDonalds just yesterday and bought a large coke and it cost me $1.45! I could have bought TWO 2-liter bottles for that money at Wal-Mart for the same price. Does that mean that McDonalds is ripping me off? well, maybe so, but they are trying to make a profit. that's the american way, they are providing me with an ice cold coke in my car, walmart is not, so I pay the friggin' 1.45 for 20oz of coke product. I think that the boost bypass kit is a JOKE, and frankly it is bad for your truck, but that is another discussion. do I agree with anyone's pricing? NO, but it is called capitalism. yes, you can buy the line mod valve or ANY other part for less if you know where to look, but the "tooners" are buying them in bulk, advertising them, and making them available to everybody along with their knowledge and a stack of other parts. should they do this for free? NO, they are here trying to operate a business! in order to maintain a successful business, you need to make a PROFIT. that's what it's all about. you can make $20 profit on a "boost bypass" or $200. profit on a "built long block", but you've got to make it somewhere. if people are willing to pay your prices then so be it. you've got to make some money to keep the lights on and to pay the employees or there would be no "tooners" or any other business in this country.


I'm not attacking his opinions, just his lack of tact. like I said earlier, you can't walk around in public acting like that to people without somebody punching your lights out (or in this day and age, just shooting you). So people shouldn't expect to behave anti-socially behind the protection of a computer screen without some reaction.
just my .02

later,
chris

 

After reading this post.....

If you hate people....Why post.....

It is a public forum used to HELP and share your do's and dont's...

Not a ego trip, that kind of a attitude that kdanner has belongs on the Chevy forums!

BEAT IT!

 

I had my blower ported a few weeks back by Apten. I want to get it dynoed, but the dyno guy took the winter off. I've called a few other places and they seem to not want my business.

 

Chris, I understand and in return respect what your saying.

The rest of you, dont shoot the messenger, Im just repeating what I think I read on one of his posts, If Im dreaming this up Its my mistake. Ive had a severe fever from the Flu and actually was told I was barking yesterday, oops maybe I should have kept that to myself.

 

posted by kdanner to mike t.

so Kdanner, does Mike carry any SCT products or were you wrong?

 

everyone knows that a large is 32oz. i cant believe i even try to communicate with you people.

maybe when you order you can tell the person you want a "so-called" 1/4 pounder.

 

KDANNER : I think you should give MIKE T a call............. 1 (540) 862-9515. Mike was one of the 1ST to get the SCT hardware. He's had it for awhile now. He programned my F-150 with it a few weeks ago after I sent him some DYNO data. No more *BLUE* SUPERCHIP chips for me

 

Tooner.

 

LOL! well, I was trying to make allowance for the Ice in the cup! you've got to be extremely accurate around here you know! or people get pissy!

good one on the "so called 1/4 pounder, I didn't even think of that!

later,
chris

 

this is exactly what I mean about the temperature and the full moon comment.I agree,people on this site are fussy. always looking for something to use as excuse for EXACT #s......


If you start at the beginning of this thread and see where it went wrong.You will see just because of a simple comment about not dynoing before,This (4 pages later) turned ito this.All becuase the moon was not full and people being nit picky.Id still welcome anybody who claims 423HP with just chip/pully WITHOUT blower porting. pretty simple made into a tooner war or something.LOL

 

do you dyno with the convertor locked or not and how much of a hp difference does it make (it makes a difference). because every dyno is different it hard to compare #s from different dynos in different parts of the country at different altitudes and different humidity levels. the number are good but compared to what?
i would think anyone that drops $800 on the software to tune their own truck, would spend the time and money to lay down some base numbers. also, since he has installed this new software, how much of that number is the tune and how much is the blower?
I have seen enough of kdanner post to know i dont care for him but he seems to be well connected with the sct people and i have a feeling the guy can manipulate the computer side of the truck very well so know that the truck (from a computer standpoint) is everything it can be at this point in time.

is that a fair view of it lightnigquik or did i miss something.

talk to you next year