Apten Supercharger - Dyno Results
Originally posted by kdanner
As for the "so called 4#" business, this is a totally bogus naming convention. Putting aside that boost is a totally meaningless number anyway, there's no way a certain pulley size provides a certain flat amount of increase in manifold pressure with all combinations. The proper terminology would be a 5%, or 10%, or whatever% overdrive pulley.
As for the "so called 4#" business, this is a totally bogus naming convention. Putting aside that boost is a totally meaningless number anyway, there's no way a certain pulley size provides a certain flat amount of increase in manifold pressure with all combinations. The proper terminology would be a 5%, or 10%, or whatever% overdrive pulley.
Originally posted by superfords
well, I believe that the name came about back in the day (read: late 2001) when there were no other "combinations" it was a 4lb pulley a chip and a filter, those were pretty much the only mods you could get, no ported heads, no KB, no cams, no long tubes, etc. so the #4 name was more applicable to everyone's truck at that time. I guess it just stuck. but maybe you should start a petition to have it changed from #4 pulley to "5% pulley", or "so called 4lb pulley". they both have a nice ring dont you think?
well, I believe that the name came about back in the day (read: late 2001) when there were no other "combinations" it was a 4lb pulley a chip and a filter, those were pretty much the only mods you could get, no ported heads, no KB, no cams, no long tubes, etc. so the #4 name was more applicable to everyone's truck at that time. I guess it just stuck. but maybe you should start a petition to have it changed from #4 pulley to "5% pulley", or "so called 4lb pulley". they both have a nice ring dont you think?
Originally posted by svtdvm
I agree. I was thinking the current pulley nomenclature was outdated. Good thing someone enlightened us on this 5%-10% stuff.
I agree. I was thinking the current pulley nomenclature was outdated. Good thing someone enlightened us on this 5%-10% stuff.
The stock boost?
So a pulley that adds 8lbs of boost would be a 100% pulley because it adds what stock is, or would it be a 200% pulley?
Seriously though, not bad numbers.
No i wasnt joking.I agree a before and after dyno run would have given better results but then you guys would start bashing the temperature it was done in and whether or not it was a full moon out
Some of you look for the negative in everything.All this person did is give his results.So what he approximated how much power he felt he got.He might not have felt that he needed to know exactly how many hp the mod gave him rather that it just did work and he wanted an exact # on what his actual truck has now.
Ill tell ya, Alot of you guys think you know it all when in reality youve probally never seen a dyno or actually tuned a car.For some of you,Its probally yhe first vehicle you modded and think you know it all by what you have read for the last couple of years.Reading is one thing but trial and error not only teaches you results but more importantly teaches you "HOW" and WHY" things happen.Some of you who amazingly have become a computer mechanic .Great,the mechanics of the future..........
Alot of you are also spoiled.If you only knew how much work and time and money it took just 10 years ago to get an extra 20-30RWHP you would quit and go home.All of you computer mechanics would go home with your tail between your legs.
You guys are used to slapping in a chip from a tuner for an extra 30hp and the doing a little porting for an extra 30hp.I would give money to see you try and make 10 rwhp on a 85 camamro
YOU HAVE NO IDEA how lucky you all are.
So before you critisize more people who infact do have a clue,You might wanna evaluate your ACTUAL skills instead of what your tuner of the week has for sale and how much you can spend this week.Its the people LONG before the tuners who have paved the way for you............
This is a general statement and meant for many but not all
Some of you look for the negative in everything.All this person did is give his results.So what he approximated how much power he felt he got.He might not have felt that he needed to know exactly how many hp the mod gave him rather that it just did work and he wanted an exact # on what his actual truck has now.Ill tell ya, Alot of you guys think you know it all when in reality youve probally never seen a dyno or actually tuned a car.For some of you,Its probally yhe first vehicle you modded and think you know it all by what you have read for the last couple of years.Reading is one thing but trial and error not only teaches you results but more importantly teaches you "HOW" and WHY" things happen.Some of you who amazingly have become a computer mechanic .Great,the mechanics of the future..........
Alot of you are also spoiled.If you only knew how much work and time and money it took just 10 years ago to get an extra 20-30RWHP you would quit and go home.All of you computer mechanics would go home with your tail between your legs.
You guys are used to slapping in a chip from a tuner for an extra 30hp and the doing a little porting for an extra 30hp.I would give money to see you try and make 10 rwhp on a 85 camamro
YOU HAVE NO IDEA how lucky you all are.So before you critisize more people who infact do have a clue,You might wanna evaluate your ACTUAL skills instead of what your tuner of the week has for sale and how much you can spend this week.Its the people LONG before the tuners who have paved the way for you............
This is a general statement and meant for many but not all
kdanner has a problem with anyone (other than sct) who makes a buck in the market.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=129400
and this guy sure talks like him
i dont think that most people here need his help.
as for the 10 year ago thing, put down the crack pipe. a list of cars available 10 years 93 5.0 mustang, 92 tpi z28, 93 lt1 corvette and the cycloon. i am pretty sure all of the above could be modded with the same success as a lightning and i;m pretty sure anyone here could change the plugs in under 2 hours, first try.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=129400
and this guy sure talks like him
So before you critisize more people who infact do have a clue,You might wanna evaluate your ACTUAL skills instead of what your tuner of the week has for sale and how much you can spend this week.Its the people LONG before the tuners who have paved the way for you............
as for the 10 year ago thing, put down the crack pipe. a list of cars available 10 years 93 5.0 mustang, 92 tpi z28, 93 lt1 corvette and the cycloon. i am pretty sure all of the above could be modded with the same success as a lightning and i;m pretty sure anyone here could change the plugs in under 2 hours, first try.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BROTHERDAVE
[B]kdanner has a problem with anyone (other than sct) who makes a buck in the market.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=129400
and this guy sure talks like him
After reading that post, this guy is definitely a d*ck. Maybe he is a girl on the rag????
[B]kdanner has a problem with anyone (other than sct) who makes a buck in the market.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=129400
and this guy sure talks like him
After reading that post, this guy is definitely a d*ck. Maybe he is a girl on the rag????
Originally posted by superfords
well, I believe that the name came about back in the day (read: late 2001) when there were no other "combinations" it was a 4lb pulley a chip and a filter, those were pretty much the only mods you could get, no ported heads, no KB, no cams, no long tubes, etc. so the #4 name was more applicable to everyone's truck at that time. I guess it just stuck. but maybe you should start a petition to have it changed from #4 pulley to "5% pulley", or "so called 4lb pulley". they both have a nice ring dont you think?
well, I believe that the name came about back in the day (read: late 2001) when there were no other "combinations" it was a 4lb pulley a chip and a filter, those were pretty much the only mods you could get, no ported heads, no KB, no cams, no long tubes, etc. so the #4 name was more applicable to everyone's truck at that time. I guess it just stuck. but maybe you should start a petition to have it changed from #4 pulley to "5% pulley", or "so called 4lb pulley". they both have a nice ring dont you think?
And that concludes todays history lesson
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Originally posted by Lightningquick
No i wasnt joking.I agree a before and after dyno run would have given better results but then you guys would start bashing the temperature it was done in and whether or not it was a full moon out
No i wasnt joking.I agree a before and after dyno run would have given better results but then you guys would start bashing the temperature it was done in and whether or not it was a full moon out
Originally posted by LightningTuner
I created the pulley "rating system" back in 99 when I designed the first Gen 2 lower pulleys. The stock pulley is 7.5". The 8" part showed +2 psi on my 99. The 8.5" showed +4 psi. Back then, that's all I tested was a 2 and a 4. When other vendors copied our pulley and started making even bigger sizes, they followed the "2 psi for every half inch diameter" that we found in our testing. Since then, it's just been the general rule of thumb. Some trucks show less, some show more. It's easier and less confusing for the customer to label them that way, than it would be to call them + 15%, + 28%, + 32% (or whatever the actual values are) pulleys.
And that concludes todays history lesson
.
I created the pulley "rating system" back in 99 when I designed the first Gen 2 lower pulleys. The stock pulley is 7.5". The 8" part showed +2 psi on my 99. The 8.5" showed +4 psi. Back then, that's all I tested was a 2 and a 4. When other vendors copied our pulley and started making even bigger sizes, they followed the "2 psi for every half inch diameter" that we found in our testing. Since then, it's just been the general rule of thumb. Some trucks show less, some show more. It's easier and less confusing for the customer to label them that way, than it would be to call them + 15%, + 28%, + 32% (or whatever the actual values are) pulleys.
And that concludes todays history lesson
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And a great history lesson it was, especially for a few of us who were there during the tinkering stages.
To Ray's point, there is some truth to the thought that most owners today enjoy a bounty of "bolt-on" parts that will propel the 2nd Gen. L to very pleasing numbers, however if your only source of knowledge is what you read here or on other forums, your doomed to fail at some point.
But to the defense of the current tuners, they all started turning wrenches long before they began tuning specific vehicles. Most, if not all have branched out beyond the Lightning community to other similar (and in some cases not so similar) vehicles as a means to support themselves.
Tuners such as Sal were the ones who pioneered them "four pound pullies" everybody now takes for granted, but the risk was his to take, as is the profit it now brings him.
Originally posted by BROTHERDAVE
kdanner has a problem with anyone (other than sct) who makes a buck in the market.
kdanner has a problem with anyone (other than sct) who makes a buck in the market.
But, since you mentioned it, I now have an electric fan controlled by the EEC, it was quite easy to turn those functions on in the SCT software. No add on temp sensors or toggle switches like the tooner fan kits that cost twice as much. I used the same Ford fan they do, have way under $200 tied up in the whole thing, and it actually functions like a stock Ford fan rather than an add on hack.
Originally posted by kdanner
You're a mindless idiot. This thread was about an Apten supercharger, not SCT.
But, since you mentioned it, I now have an electric fan controlled by the EEC, it was quite easy to turn those functions on in the SCT software. No add on temp sensors or toggle switches like the tooner fan kits that cost twice as much. I used the same Ford fan they do, have way under $200 tied up in the whole thing, and it actually functions like a stock Ford fan rather than an add on hack.
You're a mindless idiot. This thread was about an Apten supercharger, not SCT.
But, since you mentioned it, I now have an electric fan controlled by the EEC, it was quite easy to turn those functions on in the SCT software. No add on temp sensors or toggle switches like the tooner fan kits that cost twice as much. I used the same Ford fan they do, have way under $200 tied up in the whole thing, and it actually functions like a stock Ford fan rather than an add on hack.
its called progress you introverted *****. sooner or latter someone comes up with something better.
did you know Mike T. is selling the software, which seems to be a great product, that was never in question, who could sale it was.
did you know Mike T. is selling the software, which seems to be a great product, that was never in question, who could sale it was.
Originally posted by BROTHERDAVE
its called progress you introverted *****. sooner or latter someone comes up with something better.
did you know Mike T. is selling the software, which seems to be a great product, that was never in question, who could sale it was.
its called progress you introverted *****. sooner or latter someone comes up with something better.
did you know Mike T. is selling the software, which seems to be a great product, that was never in question, who could sale it was.




