What people? Who's paid for a 140 and been waiting?

Is this another case of a TUNER taking a customer's money and claiming that Works has their product/money? Or what?

 

Works 140 orders get shipped in the order that the distributor pays Works for each kit. Currently Works has ONE kit on order that's been paid for and getting finallized for shipment and that's for one of my customers. Here is a quote from Works in an e-mail that I recieved this morning in relationship to this thread:

"If any other distributor has taken a customer's money toward a 140 and claimed that we (Works) have it, that customer has been ripped off and Works has been misrepresented."

 

how come no one has put dual overhead cams in a lightning?

 

hmmm,

short version: it's hard
long version: it's really hard

It would be interesting to see how feasible it is to pull a navigator engine, pull the innards out and build it, mate it with a works or kb or mp, and see what kind of numbers you could pull.

 

that may soon change!

I "HEARD" that the Ford GT was 32Vavle 5.4 with Eaton S/C.

that is the Intake that WE LIGHTNING owners need to do the swap!

Patients, when the parts start rolling for the Ford GT, and people start upgrading those to Magnum power blowers, there will be aftermarket intakes made.

The Navigator heads will fir a lightning, there just isn't a manifold to allow a EATON to be bolted up to it. UNTIL the ford GT comes out.


LIKE I PREVIOUSLY SAID!

SCREW THE ENGINE,
the Gen 3 will put out engouth power! 500hp. problem is getting it to the ground and HERE IS THE SOLUTION FORD!

put the tranny (AWD) from this lincoln in the gen 3 Lightning!
If it can handle the 600/700 this navigator is putting out on a heavier vehicle, it shouldn't have a problem with the Gen 3 lightning.

HEY FORD, here is a great idea, make a prototype and see how it runs. I don't care if it adds a few hundred pounds, imagine how well it would hook off the line, into and out of corners etc....

Posibly even drive the AWD L in the winter here in Michigan!

 

Exactly my hope. The options are there but just stickin em together and making it work is a toughy.

Wouldn't surpirse me that the GT would be a DOHC 32V but i don't think it'll have the eaton. If ford does have its toes dipped into works and other blowers that seems like the more feasible option. Making 500 hp with the eaton seems silly in a 200k car. Why not do it with a works blower instead.

Now i didnt know the 32V heads would bolt up to the 5.4 block. Now i dont know enough about engines but how do you get around the timing chain issue? I thought when you have dual cam you need two pulleys, 1 per cam, Will the timing chain cover and all that work ok?

But actually, if you think about it, that was a navigator 5.4 32v with a works on it. So the manifold exists, its just geting it to the public.

I would LOOOVVVEEE to see an AWD tranny for the lightning. Again, i don't know enough to know if it's feasible, and what the problems would be.

 

That GT lower manifold is cast for siamese injectors ( that's 2 injectors per cylinder ). That means a modified injector harness and associated tuning headache that goes with it.

That manifold also has a different blower bolt pattern. And you can't just redrill a stock blower because the one on the GT is a much longer supercharger ( straight through design ) so the bolt pattern is completely off.

As far as an AWD Lightning, that was done years ago as a prototype for the Gen 2. The only reason it didn't go into production ??? Cost.

People are already crowing about the suggested 40K sticker for the Gen 3 L now throw that AWD on it, how much do you think that would add to the price ??? At least $5,000.00.Everybody wants all of this cool stuff on the new truck except no one is willing to pay for it.

 

Do you know which transmission they used?

 

The intake on the Blackhawk IS a one-piece manifold and is not a GT manifold... I think Sal was mistaken and meant GT STYLE intake, but the heads are standard Navigator heads.

The intake is made for single injector per cylinder and has an L intercooler/supercharger bolt pattern.

I know all of this because I was there the day the intake was being machined.

It is also my understanding, from Works, that the GT Heads/Intake combo will not fit under the hood in a lightning...

-Dale

 

Sal,
No pissing match wanted with you by any means. Nothing but respect for you sir....... Not an accusation that yourself or REM took money from customers and never produced the goods. It is that Works just doesn't seen to give a **** about making the ****ing things available.
I take the above quote as bull****. For no other reason than the very few 140's that are in existance(under a dozen??) in relation to the people that wanted the blower (not including tirekickers-real buyers). My take is that Chris is an extremely talented fabricator and enjoys the custom work and doing the somewhat impossable. Then the mass production and or marketing distribution game either doesn't interest his or it's just not what he is good at.
Unfortunately for the vendors such as yourself and REM is that the KB has been out and kicking *** for a long while. Although the 140 is superior (IMHO) to the KB it will never be able to compete in the marketplace and that is a shame.

I myself may still end up with a 140 on my truck. Tim, Paul and I have started laying out our plan for my truck and it will probably come to fruition in mid December. The power added has not been decided.

Eric

Ps. Just one mans opinion.

 

Eric, not a problem. I did not take your post that way at all. You are clearly upset that your order is taking so long, and understandably so. The reply I posted with the quote from Works, is to let you know that you don't actually HAVE a 140 order placed with Works. You may have placed the order with your vendor, but according to Works the vendor has not ordered your kit. That's not to say that you would have received it already if the order had been placed, but there are other 140 orders that may have been placed after you ordered yours from your vendor, that will be sent out before your order because there was never an order placed with Works for your kit. In other words, please don't be upset with Works, they can't fill an order that's never been placed.

 

Chris @ Works is a great guy who was able to accommodate me on something special ahead of schedule.

Thanks Chris

 

it won't fit our engine, or just won't fit under the hood?

I can get a different hood!

 

owheelies,

In your first post you say;
Sal responded with:
Then you say:
So which is it? Are you accusing Works of taking your money and not delivering your blower, or are you just saying your angry because the quantity of blowers produced by Works doesn't meet your expectations?

There is big difference in those two statements. Since neither REM nor Sal took your payment for a Works blower, just who is it that PAID (as you said above ) for their blower and didn't get it? And just who did they PAY?

Your first statement is pretty irresponsible if you don't have anything to back it up. You need to be careful about the facts when you essentially call someone a crook.

Steve

 

If Works produces the 5.4 4V blower, why couldnt you get a Navi motor, forge the internals, mate it with the Works blower then drop it in the Lightning?