I do not mean to offend anyone but I need some clarification.
The way I see it is this (allow me an analogy if you will):

I have a computer (PCM)

I run a program on the computer from the CD Rom drive on the face of the computer (same as chip)

I load a program from an external USB Hard drive (Micro tuner or Predator)

I run a program from an internal Hard drive. (PCM memory)

How would the same program run differently using different media?

Once it is loaded into memory it is the same correct?

I see reflash as a simple way of reloading the internal program instead of attatching a chip which gives Ford a reason to look further.

Doesn't a Micro tuner or Predator device do the same as a reflash?

Loading a program from various devices does not change how the computer actually operates does it? The computer still monitors the same sensors it did before but now it is using a different set of datapoints from the new program.

I do not think it matters how you get the program into the computer, the only thing that matters is the program itself.

You could take Nates program and put it on a chip and you would get the same results, good or bad.

I could be talking out my *** and I am sure some of you will tell me so but all this petty arguing over something so simple really brings the level of this forum down.

My apologies for not minding my own business.

 

Norm, you cannot access the same points being accessed with the reflash. The guy doing this is getting to areas these tuners cannot get to. They are not the same.

Jim

 

Brandon, the ford computer on a supercharged motor does not work the same as one for a naturally aspirated motor. Ford limits the adjustability of the computers on supercharged applications in stock form to keep people from being able to add 10lbs of boost and go. Otherwise we would not even be talking about chips or reflashes.

I ran a turbo setup on my '92 mustang, also with no chip. Just larger injectors and a mass air calibrated for them. That's a different ballgame.

To follow your line of reasoning would mean we should be able put a 4lb pulley and 100 shot on a stock calibration pcm truck with no problems. I wouldn't try that.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Jim

 

lets be honest here, the program he is running is nothing special,

buzz, like you said and like i predicted, the program is fat to protect for the nitrous, just as i said it would be,

my question, that i've asked dozens of times now, is where is the dyno graph of the "fixed" problem that caused the lean condition.

it was replied the problem was fixed and it was witnessed that the a/f ratios' were identical with and without the nitrous, so, why weren't those dyno graphs posted from the beginning? why haven't they still been posted?

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Not according to Mike Wesley. Doesn't he know what he is talking about? I thought he programs these things for a living.

 

Perhaps the question would be for him to tell us exactly what this BOP recalibration is doing. He doesn't know that because he doesn't know who is doing it, or what resources and knowledge this person has at their fingertips. Mike knows what is possible to do but having the resources to do it is another matter entirely. Mike sells chips for a living.

This is the major leagues vs. the minor leagues. That is not an overstatement.

There are a lot of opinions here so you'll just have to sort through it and do what you think is best. BTW, Nate is not the first person to have this done. He just shared his results more publicly. There are a lot of guys running this right now that don't really care whether or not anyone else thinks it's better.

Jim

 

Cubbies ??? Did you see the Pirate wack the weenie with the bat ? LMAO

 

I agree wholeheartedly with that statement, it is my truck, I make the payments and I will do whatever I want with it.
I just can't grasp the difference between all the various methods of loading a program. It seems that the cheapest way would be the best way if they can all do the same thing.
I thought the argument about different banks was shot down a long time ago. I think it was way back when Diablo first came out. My memory may be cloudy on that one though.
Thanks.