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Also on another note. We didn't do one pull the sameway except for the baselines. Who to say that the computer was ready and remembering for corrections the next time it saw that 110 or whatever shot next time it was used.
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I could be wrong; but, I think you guys are missing one thing. That's a 110 HP dry shot of nitrous. 
Looks like it did a damned fine job of adjusting to me. I wouldn't even consider running a 110 HP wet shot, without a separate program for it on my chip. And with a 4# pulley to boot! I'm moderately impressed.
Looks like it did a damned fine job of adjusting to me. I wouldn't even consider running a 110 HP wet shot, without a separate program for it on my chip. And with a 4# pulley to boot! I'm moderately impressed.
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Cyntaxx, I agree with you latest post. There is alot these tuners dont tell and it is a crap shot. Im just saying according to what has been said in the last 5- 10 page threads, is not all true. The A/F will not hold a straight line. (Remember Dougs graph and how he was told a reflash would be flatter) The reflash will not compensate any different than a stock computer or chip. ( At least it hasnt been proven, yet ? ) Nates Graphs above prove this, even if the N20 T was wacked the computer should have been able to adjust (Only going by what **** and Jim said )
Peace and Im glad we agree somewhat.
Peace and Im glad we agree somewhat.
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Buzz my friend. I don't know if your not comprehending. It held that damn rich line pretty damn straight with the nos vac kit on didn't it for the baseline? I'm broke. If you guys want to chip in and pay for a dyno with out that damn nos kit van fuel jet craper on there, I'll go back and prove to you that was the problem. That line looks pretty damn straight to me. You do understand that what that T is for don't you with different jettings? to adjust your a/f. How would the computer beable to adjust when it has a monkey on it's back sending telling it one thing when its trying to accomplish another.
edit: adding nitrous is like adding more boost. I'm done discussing something that i ran tests on with many wtinesses, me and others explained , here IN writing for people to go BACK and read, Read again and comprehend. There is no excuse for getting on the wrong page for this subject. You are talking about something that doesn't even pertain what has been showed and explained. Your still talking about a stock PCM, and this is not. You still thinking on terms of chips, and this is not.
edit: adding nitrous is like adding more boost. I'm done discussing something that i ran tests on with many wtinesses, me and others explained , here IN writing for people to go BACK and read, Read again and comprehend. There is no excuse for getting on the wrong page for this subject. You are talking about something that doesn't even pertain what has been showed and explained. Your still talking about a stock PCM, and this is not. You still thinking on terms of chips, and this is not.
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Originally posted by NateTrun2
Buzz. Do you understand what i said before. We changed out jets one after the other for all kinds of nitrous shot sizes. Do you understand? from 50hp to about 100-120hp. It corrected it. The 462rwhp is the biggest shot we sprayed, and the 445 is about a 75. I told the recalibrator that i was only going to be using up to 75. It adapted. you understand?
Buzz. Do you understand what i said before. We changed out jets one after the other for all kinds of nitrous shot sizes. Do you understand? from 50hp to about 100-120hp. It corrected it. The 462rwhp is the biggest shot we sprayed, and the 445 is about a 75. I told the recalibrator that i was only going to be using up to 75. It adapted. you understand?
He bud, Like I said the important thing is your happy with the product. Im not saying the product doesnt work because it does work, just not like **** or Jim have said. My opinion and your opinion obviously are different when you say adapt. In my opinion to say adapt means your A/F ratio would remain the same ( I will even step out on a limb and say close to) Your a/f ratio did not, it went leaner, much leaner at that. It was fat for NA and right for the N20. Im making a ASSumption here but I would guess that a chip might do the same. What I mean by same is you tell a tuner that your gonna run a 75/100 shot and the chip will preform similar to your recal/reflash without the N20 being sprayed.
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BuzzzLightyear How about telling you tuner that you are going to run a 4lb and shoot a 50 to 100 shot here and there. I bet you won't get this in one program! You will need 2 or 3 programs. Lets not forget a summer and winter program.
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Originally posted by BuzzzLightyear
He bud, Like I said the important thing is your happy with the product. Im not saying the product doesnt work because it does work, just not like **** or Jim have said. My opinion and your opinion obviously are different when you say adapt. In my opinion to say adapt means your A/F ratio would remain the same ( I will even step out on a limb and say close to) Your a/f ratio did not, it went leaner, much leaner at that. It was fat for NA and right for the N20. Im making a ASSumption here but I would guess that a chip might do the same. What I mean by same is you tell a tuner that your gonna run a 75/100 shot and the chip will preform similar to your recal/reflash without the N20 being sprayed.
He bud, Like I said the important thing is your happy with the product. Im not saying the product doesnt work because it does work, just not like **** or Jim have said. My opinion and your opinion obviously are different when you say adapt. In my opinion to say adapt means your A/F ratio would remain the same ( I will even step out on a limb and say close to) Your a/f ratio did not, it went leaner, much leaner at that. It was fat for NA and right for the N20. Im making a ASSumption here but I would guess that a chip might do the same. What I mean by same is you tell a tuner that your gonna run a 75/100 shot and the chip will preform similar to your recal/reflash without the N20 being sprayed.
So, it does not work? Bah, that is sooo untrue. It worked as advertised.
I also have to add one more thing.. Nates recal'd PCM was NOT calibrated for Nitrous... So it took a 110 shot of juice, dry none the less and never hit 13.0. Had he has a wideband in before the converters, it would of been between a 12.3 - 12.5
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Some people keep refering to the none NO2 run where the AFR was rich. I will say this again, THE VACUUM MODIFICATIONS TO THE FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR OF THE NO2 KIT MADE IT RUN RICH. For those who don't understand here it is in simpler terms. The fuel pressure regulator was increasing the fuel pressure to the fuel rails. When the injectors opened at a higher PSI more fuel was being injected into the combustion chamber. So you have an injector spraying more fuel at stock pulse width and the computer then comes in and increases the pulse width on top of that to compensate for the added bost/air flow, now you have a rich condition. Fuel on top of Fuel.
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Originally posted by 03Lightning
BuzzzLightyear How about telling you tuner that you are going to run a 4lb and shoot a 50 to 100 shot here and there. I bet you won't get this in one program! You will need 2 or 3 programs. Lets not forget a summer and winter program.
BuzzzLightyear How about telling you tuner that you are going to run a 4lb and shoot a 50 to 100 shot here and there. I bet you won't get this in one program! You will need 2 or 3 programs. Lets not forget a summer and winter program.
Guys, Im not against reflash,recal. If Diablo doesnt release the Predator within 7 days, Im going Recal/reflash. 03Lightning, your points about summer and winter are mute, we dont know what the reflash is gonna do in the winter. About getting same results, I already said, if you have anytuner burn you a chip for 75 shot and test it NA the results will be similar, fat without N20 and safe with N20. Lemme ask all of you this, Are Nates numbers great without N20 and great with N20 ? I dont know because I havent searched, but if his non N20 numbers are similar to trucks with similar mods and are similar with trucks on N20 then Im totally wrong. The recal gives you the best of both worlds like Pro Flashers have stated. Using multiple programs is a advantage becuase it allows you to have Race Program, Street program and N20 Program. **** has already stated that a advantage of recal/reflash is that he could still use a chip, for a agressive track program. I would tend to say that multiple programs is a advantage chips offer that recal/reflash cant offer. Again, Im not against recal/reflash, IMO the above Dyno graphs have proven it works. Nate also being happy with the recal/reflash is also something to consider. My orginal point Ive been trying to make is:
1) A/F is not a straight line like some of the Proflash people said.
2) Its obvious your truck is running very fat without N20 but on N20 it leans out. It was stated before that a reflash would keep the same A/F as mods were added.
How can anybody state the above 2 statements are false ? If you wanna debate the above statements, show me proof where Im wrong. Dont attack or try and ram opinions down my throat.
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BuzzzLightyear
Read my post just above yours. It explains why the none NO2 run was rich. Fuel added to Fuel.
Personally I couldn't care less who thinks it works and who thinks it doesn't. I saw it for myself and I will not buy a traditional chip. The warranty loss alone is enough for me to make that decision. The reflsh will allow me to put on a 4lb pully and have no warranty issues.
Read my post just above yours. It explains why the none NO2 run was rich. Fuel added to Fuel.
Personally I couldn't care less who thinks it works and who thinks it doesn't. I saw it for myself and I will not buy a traditional chip. The warranty loss alone is enough for me to make that decision. The reflsh will allow me to put on a 4lb pully and have no warranty issues.
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Originally posted by Flying ****
Contrary to belief, a 12.5 is considered a PERFECT A/F. That A/F is right on the nose.
Contrary to belief, a 12.5 is considered a PERFECT A/F. That A/F is right on the nose.
Its perfect and right on the nose.
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Another thing, which wasnt taken into account is Nates AFR reading was from a tailpipe sniffer instead of a wideband inside an 02 bung before the cats. This can affect your afr from .5 to .9, which in relative terms, is between half to one full point.
Another thing, which wasnt taken into account is Nates AFR reading was from a tailpipe sniffer instead of a wideband inside an 02 bung before the cats. This can affect your afr from .5 to .9, which in relative terms, is between half to one full point.
Ok so its perfect at 12.5 but its really not 12.5 because its off .5 to .9 or between half point to full point. Is it perfect or not? Is it 12.5 or not ?
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So, it does not work? Bah, that is sooo untrue. It worked as advertised.
So, it does not work? Bah, that is sooo untrue. It worked as advertised.
Originally posted by Flying ****
I also have to add one more thing.. Nates recal'd PCM was NOT calibrated for Nitrous... So it took a 110 shot of juice, dry none the less and never hit 13.0. Had he has a wideband in before the converters, it would of been between a 12.3 - 12.5
I also have to add one more thing.. Nates recal'd PCM was NOT calibrated for Nitrous... So it took a 110 shot of juice, dry none the less and never hit 13.0. Had he has a wideband in before the converters, it would of been between a 12.3 - 12.5
Cmon dude, the way you back track is a joke and really is taking a toll on your credibility( IMO but... thanks for the detailing tips because you are correct, my truck has I shine like I cannot believe.)
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Originally posted by BuzzzLightyear
He bud, Like I said the important thing is your happy with the product. Im not saying the product doesnt work because it does work, just not like **** or Jim have said. My opinion and your opinion obviously are different when you say adapt. In my opinion to say adapt means your A/F ratio would remain the same ( I will even step out on a limb and say close to) Your a/f ratio did not, it went leaner, much leaner at that. It was fat for NA and right for the N20. Im making a ASSumption here but I would guess that a chip might do the same. What I mean by same is you tell a tuner that your gonna run a 75/100 shot and the chip will preform similar to your recal/reflash without the N20 being sprayed.
He bud, Like I said the important thing is your happy with the product. Im not saying the product doesnt work because it does work, just not like **** or Jim have said. My opinion and your opinion obviously are different when you say adapt. In my opinion to say adapt means your A/F ratio would remain the same ( I will even step out on a limb and say close to) Your a/f ratio did not, it went leaner, much leaner at that. It was fat for NA and right for the N20. Im making a ASSumption here but I would guess that a chip might do the same. What I mean by same is you tell a tuner that your gonna run a 75/100 shot and the chip will preform similar to your recal/reflash without the N20 being sprayed.
I suggest you buy yourself a chip.
Jim
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