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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 05:19 PM
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Question Water/alcohol injection?

I understand the theory, maxing efficiency of your super charger, lower air temps etc.

What type of hp gains are we talking about with these systems?

Has anyone used the Aqua Mist system?

Is this a safer alternative to Nitro?

Please advise!

For what it's worth, here are my mods for my '03 L: KB, 6lb lower, 2 lb upper, diablo flip chip, accufab single blade, JLP Ram Air, Bassani cat back, Greg Evans valve Body, deep trans pan, trak traction bars, safety loop, denso's IT 22's, rear lowering shackles, dual pod with fuel pressure and boost guage.

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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 05:29 PM
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everyone talks about doing this but no one bites the bullet, does it , then reports back.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 05:48 PM
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https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=120965
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 05:55 PM
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that thread is no help
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by FooFur
that thread is no help
You're right. But it's something...
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:06 PM
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I'll have mine installed hopefully before I go on vacation next wednesday. I won't be able to test it until I get back other than SOP, but at least it's something. Now if I can just get that lower pulley replacement from LFP.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:33 PM
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I am really scratching my head on this one. The KB, diablo, 6lb, 2lb, boost guage, fuel presure gage are all being installed on the 19th. Tim at Razor's edge is taking care of the install I have already bought all the parts from JLP, PSP and others.

I wanted to kill two birds with one stone, but it will add $800 to the deal, so I just wanted to learn more about it. He has installed one system and the customer really likes it, but it hasn't been dino'd yet. If I knew I was going to gain 50+ I would do it hands down, but there in lies the big question?

Skennet thanks for the link, that's a start?
 

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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Dan_03Lightning
I wanted to kill two birds with one stone, but it will add $800 to the deal, so I just wanted to learn more about it.
Whose system are you looking at for $800? Or does that include installation?

I did a lot of research and chose Snow Performance. It was between the SMC kit and the Snow kit. The SMC kit kind of looked like somebody built it in their garage (which I don't really mind). But I liked the 100 psi the Snow kit put out and it came with the same features. I also found some place in the UK awhile back, but I forget their name (Edit: It was a different company than Aquamist)

Snow Performance Stage 2

Carroll Superchargers

Aquamist

SMC

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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 06:44 PM
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Yeah, that includes the instal, with the Aqua Mist system. We very briefly spoke about it over the phone, just something to consider....... To be honest I understand it, but know very little, that's why I am asking the experts.

Thanks for the links, I'll check them out.....
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:00 PM
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Here's the deal. Water injection, like intercooling, in and of itself has marginal effects on power.

Its usefulness is in allowing one to run more timing and/or lower octane and/or more boost without detonation. So just bolting on a water injection is not going to pay off big -- the payoff comes when you get the chip reburned, put on the bigger pulley, or wean yourself from face fuel.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:03 PM
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Try these links for more info

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ater+injection

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ater+injection

We just keep recycling old threads here. I'll try to get on a dyno and to the track by the end of July. It will be nice and hot so the power gains should be better (than if it were 50 degrees out).

I believe with the Aquamist and Carroll setup, methanol cannot be used. Not sure about some of the others though.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:40 PM
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Yes the Water/Alki/Meth injection works but here is the problem on the Lightning. This type mod is designed to be used in the hot air after the super charger. Its not going to be very benificial spraying into ambient air. The problem I see is when water/alki/meth hits the rotors on your blower, this will cause the teflon to break off. (This has been seen by guys who use N20 to cool the charge) The best way to think of this type injection is would a air to air cooler make any power before the supercharger ? No, you have to cool the charge after the blower. Another minor downside of this system is consistancy of your mixture. I have heard of guys overcoming this by using windshield washer fluid. (same mixture of water,alki and methenol)
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 07:55 PM
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thanks for the multitude of answers! It's a learning process..........
 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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The problem I see is when water/alki/meth hits the rotors on your blower, this will cause the teflon to break off. (This has been seen by guys who use N20 to cool the charge) The best way to think of this type injection is would a air to air cooler make any power before the supercharger ? No, you have to cool the charge after the blower.
So .... can the mixture be injected after the supercharger?

 
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Old Jul 8, 2003 | 08:07 PM
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jdm phelonic spacer w/ water injection port, 500 dollars.
 
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