The methanol should have no effect on the teflon. I've seen fuel systems (designed for methanol) with teflon fittings and also storage containers with teflon lined caps (in the lab). I don't know how much it cools the air charge after the intercooler, but that would be a good test for someone with a guage all setup.

There is XX pounds of boost after the blower. I don't think it is possible to do it that way.

 

Hmm now that might be a solution




Im not saying the methanol is going to cause a chemical reaction causing the rotors to flake. Im saying that the mist hitting the rotors is going to chip the rotors. I guess it kinda like going thru a rain storm with bugs on your windshield, after the storm the bugs are gone. Just a FYI, this technology that is being discussed was used by the military in WWII and is filtering down into the private sector just now. As for X amount of boost and not knowing its done that way, its done that way on the GN's, Mustangs and was done by the military that way.

 

I've thought about that, but I don't think the spray from the nozzle will be at the optimum angle unless it is seriously angled into the blower (but I haven't looked at it with an actual spacer either).

I guess it also depends on how the nozzle sprays and the pressure you run it at. (Obviously it won't be like a fire hose)

 

yysenhimer


The way this works is it cools the hot air, doesnt cool the blower. It water/alki/meth evaportating into the hot air is what cools the charge. Or Did I misread your post and do you think the injected fluid wont have time to evaportate ? If so, I would tend to agree that is a possibility.

 

Im the one that has the only REM installed aquamist water injection...Ive been running it for about 4 months now with no problems...Im still waiting to get on the dyno for everyone to have a number ..Paul@REM claims 50 more ftlb torque...I have my KB already but not installed..Im hoping to to get it done along with dyno numbers as soon as REM has an opening and my 55lb injectors come in.....I will tell you this though, truck pulls a lot harder upstairs when I mix the water with 50% denatured alcohol....but man , it sure does stink..

 

That's exactly what I meant.

 

Hey All-
Steve from SMC Enterprises here. The link that was posted for my site was WAY out of date...The kits have come a LONG WAY since then! Check out the new website at www.smcenterprises.com.

The alcohol is going to work even if it is injected b4 the blower. (A solenoid valve is required) As soon as it contacts the hot rotors it will begin to evaporate and cool the charge. Any alcohol left as liquid is burned as HI OCTANE fuel. We use a brass nozzle with a very fine spray pattern nozzle.....A NOS nozzle or spray bar won't deliver the fine spray needed. You will never get the same results from water injection. Our system has more features than any other kit available and is 1/2 the price of most of them. We also offer a money back guarantee if not satisfied. Out of over 500 systems in use, mostly on turbo Buicks, we have not had 1 person ask for a refund. Nuff Said.
I don't have any experience with the blowers, I'm a turbo man myself. But any turbo car we put a kit on can expect 20-25% more boost on pump gas. I dunno about the flaking teflon thing......I could see NOS freezing the coating and causing a problem...but the alky is not that cold and evaporates almost instantly. We also recommend denatured alcohol, not Methanol. Methanol is HIGHLY corrosive to almost everthing. Denatured alcohol is actually grain alcohol (Everclear) with a touch of crap thrown in so we cant drink it! Nowhere near as corrosive. (cept to your liver) Anyway....someone on the forum with access to a dyno needs to be the gunea pig. I'll send a $50 check for a dyno printout. Then you can quit guessing and know for sure if it works.

Thanks-

 

Steve 1st of all Welcome and like Ive stated before I know and have seen these kits work in other applications. My question is this and maybe you can explain, If the mist is being sprayed into ambeint air is it going to evaporate before it enters the compressor ? If it doesnt, just as the compressor compresses air, its going to compress the alcohol into droplets. If these droplets go into any of the cylinders your going to run lean and have damage done to the engine. Am I correct is this line of thought or am I wrong ? Do the Turbo guys spray before or After the Turbo ?

 

Hey Steve,

I spoke to you about a month ago. You were going to revise your kit to maximize the benefits for supercharger users. Is that version ready yet? I researched ALL the kits out there, and yours seemed to offer the most features. Yet, the newly revised kit was going to have even more features.

 

Nice looking kit Steve. I wish you would have posted a week ago before I ordered the Snow Performance kit , but your kit and the snow kit look pretty similar anyway.

 

Buzz:
Some of the alky will evaporate b4 the blower, some will evaporate after the blower, and some will be in liquid form in the chambers. Our spray is fine enough to burn well in the combustion chamber as hi octane fuel. Turbo guys and anyone with a centrifugal blower spray AFTER the blower ad/or intercooler.

Iron Horse:
Check the website-the new progressive controller is ready!

YYsehimer:
Yes, the SMC and Snow systems are sort of similar...except the Snow kit has:
NO in car tunability, cause they have NO CONTROLLER.
NO braided steel lines
NO Progressive spray pressure option
NO low alky warning
NO test switch
NO Pressure guage
NO pressure switch
Etc...............
The only other kit made in the U.S. that even offers a progressive option is the kit from *****ll's Supercharging. It is $995. We are $499 for the progressive, and $399 for standard controller. The ****mist system from Europe does offer a progressive feature for $600, but the pump is too weak for most V8 apps, and you still don't get our controller. We have been making systems for 6 years and offer the most for the $$$ of anyone. Compare and see.

 

Water/Alcohol/Methanol injection kits have been tested quite a few times since 1999. You may be able to get some info on a search, but the basic outcome was it did nothing. Our intercoolers are so effective it didn't allow for any increase in timing. A friend of mine did a test on his 01 Lightning with the snow kit and there was no gain at the track or on the dyno. The kit is in my garage right now and I'm installing it on my Gen1 w/ a blower and no intercooler.

 

i think a small shot of n20 might not hurt and it will do the same thing.

 

Hmmmmmm......
Our Buicks have some healthy IC's as well, and we can pick up an easy 50 HP from added boost and timing with the alcohol injection.

The system won't do much till you ADD BOOST OR TIMING.

My GN has run 11.60's with a stock long block and trans.....on pump gas. The alky must be doing something.

(TE44 turbo, 36# injs, front mount IC, and 3" downpipe)

Working on another GN ....it'll have a TE52 turbo, 50# injs.....should go LOW 11's on pump gas & alky.

 

Yes, the kits work well on the GN turbo. However, not sure it translates to the same gain in the Lightning. If so, lots of people would be running them...including the tuners. It's a proven technology on less efficient or non intercooled vehicles. I haven't tried it on a KB w/ +20psi, but it's been installed on an overspun Eaton putting out 18psi. Just trying to save some effort, but please post your results. The more data the better.