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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 02:43 PM
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mswaim... your so incredibly quick to label anyone and evryone who has something bad to say about traffic cops as being "narrow minded, and predictable" .... and also, I never bashed security gaurds ..my point was if you wanted a job that where you can put in your 40 hours and not be held to a high standard, then the mall is accepting aplications Im sure...no one cares about security gaurds...at least not like we do about cops...cops should WANT to serve the public....which includes the people who may or may not like them.


the biggest kick in the face to us is the traffic BS. Whether the cops care about generating revenue for the county offices or not doesnt matter, your just doing your job true, but whether your job is being mis-used to gain funding is a larger question.

15 over here costs you about 140 bux and 3 points...so say 170 bux with the driving course...plus all the wasted time we have to spend taking care of the ticket anyhow... a lot of people dont have an extra 170 bux laying around...most people struggle to keep what they have...and driving is not an option, its your lively hood...without it your screwed. The speed limits are setup to take advantage of people's driving habits..pulling someone over and taking their money doesnt teach them anything but to dislike cops.
 

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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 03:02 PM
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This post is getting funny. The people bashing cops are the ones that have broken laws and they are blaiming the cop for their ticket. Can we all say Lawmakers, city council, anyother politicions just insert here______. These are the people that make the laws, push the police to write tickets. I almost forgot the people that vote for these people in power, yeh thats you and me and whoever else is a registered voter! If you people would be a little more responsible you would not have tickets or higher insurance rates.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by mswaim
Some of you guys need to get a clue. You act as though owning a Lighting is some great trick. I've owned two, as well as a 97 Cobra, a 2001 Bullitt and a 2003 Cobra. My wife is driving a Jag, and before that a 93 Allante as her weekend toy as well as a 99 Limited Edition Explorer as a daily driver.............My house was just re-appraised at $365,000.........all on a cops salary.

Let's not turn this into a ***** measuring contest.


Perhaps the cops in your neighborhoods make less money, but not here, or any of the agencies I worked for. In fact, law enforcement salaries usually mirror the economic strength of the community they work for, so if your cops are working for chump change, perhaps you should re-evaluate your neighborhood.


Since you really wanted to go there, our neighborhood's houses are all upwards of $500,000. That is a lot considering you're talking about a small rural area. Each house is easily more than 5,000 square feet and most have large pools. As for your personal salary, we pay many of our employees several times that.


Let's face facts, cops are just like you. They have the same attitude towards you that you do them. Why should they look for your BMX bike? Can't remember how many times someone came in to report their unsecured bike was stolen from their front yard. If your dumb enough not to secure it, then it becomes the property of a guy who wants it worse than you. The cop will get paid even if he doesn't look for your bike.


Same attitude? I went in there courteously looking for help in recovering my bike. I knew the chances were slim and my first priority was to make a police report just for the sake of statistics in hoping that bike theft on campus may be taken more seriously. Instead I received a slap in the face because the deputy at the front desk couldn't even spell Schwinn let alone fathom the fact that my bike cost more than his car. Oh, and my bike was securely locked. It was not simply laying there for the taking.


Equate his work ethic to this: Mod your truck, it breaks.....pull off the mods and leave the truck on the side of the road. Ford fixes it and no ones the wiser...........what's the difference? Both appear to be highly unethical, but for some reason everyone wants the cop to be held to a higher standard. That's crap, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you will understand the real world.


You're comparing apples and oranges. No one here accepted the idea of de-modding a truck for warranty work *when the mod caused the problem* as an ethical act. However, we do believe it is the objective of law enforcement officers everywhere to uphold the same morals and principles they are sworn and PAID to protect. Therefore, YES I do believe police officers should be held to a higher standard. If they demand respect, they must EARN it first.


After all, why should they care? They put in their 40 hours just like you, and then they go home. Protect and serve, ya right.....They are a public employee just like all the other city employees.


I could care less if you cared about a citizen you are protecting or not. This issue isn't one of emotion. It's whether the police officer in question has performed his duty of *protecting the innocent*. Maybe you remember that phrase?


Risk their necks for the likes of you? ya right........It's a lot easier to pick up the pieces of a scene, then to wade in and risk injury for some idiot citizen who placed himself in harm's way. I would much rather write a report, then be questioned by an I.A. review team.


The fact is, an unprofessional police officer affects the lives of people he or she encounters on a daily basis severely. This is not simply a bad attitude while bagging groceries. You are paid to deal with people in need, yet you turn a blind eye and pick and choose who you decide to help based on your own convenience?
Not only are you a horrible police officer, you're a horrible person. I won't even comment on your true nature if you truly believe this.


Face the facts, they are just like you.........that employee discount some people get, or that comped meal some get from a friend who owns or manages the restaurant, or that damage you get fixed even though your mods caused it.......they call it "professional courtesy"..............ticket a fellow officer? A few do, most don't. That's a fact of life, get over it.........


The owner of the restuarant OWNS it. He or she can distribute food and charge prices based on what he or she pleases to whomever she likes. A police officer is a government employee, paid by US. They do not even OWN their squad car, let alone the law. Maybe that is why you are such a horrible police officer. Confused....or just refusing to acknowledge that you do not own the law?


I've been hanging out here longer than most of you, and I've watched and listened to how the group routinely bashes cops, placing them on the same level as Ford SVT employees.

What you need to understand is they feel the same way about you.........they have terms for you, such as ****bird, scrotbag, trailer trash.........and your children? They use one word to describe them; "Doomed"...........or, "job security".........they figure if your brain dead, your offspring has no chance.


Sir, I believe your children are doomed to have such inadequate husks of parents like you, and whoever would choose to marry you (if you ever had a wife). Such comments only show how immature members of your profession are. You should be wielding a shovel in a horsebarn rather than a gun on the streets.



Are you shocked by this? You shouldn't be. After all, they are just like you.


That is a lower insult than your statement above.


Flame me if you want, but I figure what the heck. Why take the high road? I might as well speak my mind, just like you.

By the way, I want to thank all of the citizens who paid my salary, making it possible for me to enjoy the standard of living I now have, and also thank them for all the free schooling they provided, which I used immediately upon my retirement to land the job I now have............Thank you all.
You've never taken the high road. I've heard all about your little escapades with email virii sent to people this board you dislike. You're nothing but a little tick, sapping the life energy out of those that surround you (and pay you) in a desperate attempt to scratch for survival. Have a nice day!
 

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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 03:21 PM
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 04:05 PM
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Case in point - I have already filed two complaints this year against two county deputies for careless driving. I live out in the country and I live on a 50 MPH road. My mom was walking the dog, and was pushed off the road by an oncoming cruiser at a high rate of speed with no lights on... he never knew she was even there. This was not an emergency as I had my scanner running the entire time. Secondly, the motorcycle cop on his Harley almost mowed me over speeding through a gas station - again, no need for that kind of rush as there was nothing going on in the county at that point. When these complaints were made, the Sheriff himself called and explained there were many "young cowboys" on the staff. He made them come to my house and appologize, which I believe was the correct punishment. Another thing... last year, I worked fire protection at the county fair - we were across from the Sheriff's. Those guys had sticks up their asses and their nose high in the air. Once they were going home and out of uniform, they were a bit nicer. I am sorry, I just have a real problem with their attitudes. I don't mind the fact of getting tickets, it's just that I want common courtesy. They are not above me. They are not better than me. We are all equal. I am out their to save lives and protect civilians just like they do... only we do it nicely and respectfully.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 04:24 PM
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You know the old saying Cyntaxx.........if you can't stand the heat, you should stay out of the kitchen.

Sorry you've taken this to such a new low, accusing me of sending e-mail viruses?

Not sure where you got that one, but if it makes you feel better to lie, it's okay with me......

this is the net you know, and arguing with you in this forum is like competing in the Special Olympics.

It's pretty easy to see by your out-of-control response that this has gone the distance. Too bad, it was just reaching a stimulating level where others were beginning to see another side of this issue.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 04:43 PM
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Not to hijack this thread, but maybe we should discuss politics and religion here as well--it may calm this discussion down. Allow me to begin...

I think that Catholic cop Democrats that write tickets to Communist Jogger Gays driving Chevys without passengers in the HOV lane suck and should be summarily castrated.

Sorry guys, couldn't resist...after a year of lurking on this board and occasional posts, I finally got out of the 'Junior Member' category. Just my way of celebrating my coming of age, I guess

Sorry to hear about the ticket, Problem. I hate getting tickets.

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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by mswaim

It's pretty easy to see by your out-of-control response that this has gone the distance.
I think he nailed it pretty well myself. A very accurate and controlled response considering his age. He comes across a lot better than you do, mswain.

Too bad, it was just reaching a stimulating level where others were beginning to see another side of this issue.
Don't presume to speak for others in this matter. It's scary to me to think that there are other police officers that feel the way you do about their responsibilities. In fact I'm sure that the fairly well represented police officer membership of this board has winced every time you have replied to this thread. You are an amoral scumbag; and, I wouldn't be surprised to find that your financial success, as you see it, was supplemented illegally. I wouldn't trust you to bag my groceries.
 

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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 04:51 PM
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K-40 Defuser! I have had mine for 3 years now with no tickets and have been hit several time by laser. I even had a few state troopers pullout any way and hit me with radar by that time I have my halo on and am going at least 1 mile under the limit!

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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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What ever happened to the customer is alwasy right!

Being a cop is nothing more then a job and thats it. 90% of them think they have the power of god cause they have this shiney badge on. I feel for you man cause I was pretty much abused by a reckless cop who pyhsically restrained me in my front yard after he pulled me over just as I pulled in my driveway for a loud exhaust on my bike. I get off the bike to see what he wants and this guy goes nuts on me for getting off the bike, HAHAHAHA.

It was fun though cause this ***** had the ***** to come to court even after I told him right to his face that my lawyer is going to have a field day with him. Well he gave me 3 bull**** tickets and I paid my 250 bucks for my lawyer and as I walked out of the court room with my license and a clean record I just smiled and waved to the a$$hole and said goodbye to him. He wasn't to happy at all but thats just to bad now isn't it. My other case of abuse against him was filed with OPP and it wasn't the first time he's had that happen to him either!

For 1 good cop, there's 10 bad ones out there.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Odin's Wrath
I think he nailed it pretty well myself. A very accurate and controlled response considering his age. He comes across a lot better than you do, mswain.



Don't presume to speak for others in this matter. It's scary to me to think that there are other police officers that feel the way you do about their responsibilities. In fact I'm sure that the fairly well represented police officer membership of this board has winced every time you have replied to this thread. You are an amoral scumbag; and, I wouldn't be surprised to find that your financial success, as you see it, was supplemented illegally. I wouldn't trust you to bag my groceries.
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It's funny how this has played out. I've spent years here defending the law enforcement profession to no avail.

So I decided to try something different. I stepped out of context for once and tried to reverse the roles and show some of you just what it would look like if cops treated you (and talked about you) the same way you treat us here.

Your responses were very predictable. Believe me, the other cops here are not "wincing" at my comments. They understand that all I was doing was trying to give you a taste of your own medicine.

But it's comical the way some of you have seized the moment to take the comments that are so out of context for me and ran with it full bore.

And all that proves is what I've said for last five years. You love to bash cops, but you want them all to above reproach. You want to treat them as second class citizens, but demand that you be treated as a step above.

One of the members earlier stated that cops are jealous because they cannot afford a vehicle like a Lightning, what with their low pay and all.................My question is, if you really do respect the Law as you claim to do, where were you then? Why no outcry at such a blatant slap at an entire profession?

Those of you who have been here for the earlier cop-bashing threads know my REAL position. Those of you who bash cops are the real losers. You couldn't have stomached my job for a day, let alone make a profession out of it.

And now were at a point where a senior member refers to me as a "amoral scumbag"...................Ah, the high road....

It's great to be a member of the "Lightning Community"..............



 
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 05:36 PM
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Back about a year ago, I was stopped by a State Trooper on the interstate traveling 75/65. I pulled over, he came up to the truck, asked for my drivers license and registration and told me that he stopped me because I was speeding. He also said that I had a nice looking truck and that he was accustom to seeing young kids driving them. He then told me to slow down some, drive safely and have a nice day. I then drove away. I'm 47 yrs. old. Read into it what you want.

PS: If I could have found a donut in my truck, I would have offered it to him.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 06:21 PM
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mswain,

If you are truly playing devil's advocate, it isn't obvious. In fact it requires quite a stretch and a long leap of faith to accept that you are. I'll make that leap and give you the benefit of the doubt. I would like to point out that, while there are some members here that are very vocal about their dislike for law enforcement, most of us understand some of the headache involved with dealing with the attitudes of the people a police officer encounters each day. It can't be easy.

In 22 years of operating a motor vehicle, I have been pulled over on numerous occasions. More than most people, due to the fact that I drive a commercial vehicle for a living. (DOT) I have had good experiences and bad ones. Here are some things for some of the younger guys to remember if you would like to avoid some drama on the side of the road.

1) Be polite. Period! It doesn't matter what kind of personality you run into, just be polite. You only have to deal with this person for a very short period of time and you will likely never see them again. It may save you from getting a ticket or it may not. It will however prevent the officer that is a ***** from becoming a ***** that has it in for you. If there is a problem that needs to be addressed take it up with his supervisor later. You will not win a roadside argument with a police officer. Be polite. Period!

2) Do Not Lie! If a police officer catches you in a lie, even the nicest ones will put you through the ringer for it. If you've done something that you can't tell the truth about, well..... You have bigger problems anyway, now don't you?

3) Control your emotions. If the officer is pleasant with you, be pleasant back. Don't try to be his buddy. He's not there to make friends. He's doing a job. If he's a *****, don't even speak except to provide asked for information. Do not show yourself. It's not worth the hassle. Save it for his boss. If he behaves like that all the time, you won't be the first to complain about him. It's only a few minutes of unpleasantness. What person of strong character can't handle that?

In 50 or so roadside stops, I have only drove away with 4 tickets in my life. More were deserved. These three rules work. If more people knew and used them, there would probably be a few more tolerable encounters with the men and women we refer to affectionately as police officers. There's a lot of work to be done on their part though. A crap load in fact.
 

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Old Jun 11, 2003 | 06:28 PM
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It's funny how this has played out. I've spent years here defending the law enforcement profession to no avail.

So I decided to try something different. I stepped out of context for once and tried to reverse the roles and show some of you just what it would look like if cops treated you (and talked about you) the same way you treat us here.

Your responses were very predictable. Believe me, the other cops here are not "wincing" at my comments. They understand that all I was doing was trying to give you a taste of your own medicine.

But it's comical the way some of you have seized the moment to take the comments that are so out of context for me and ran with it full bore.

And all that proves is what I've said for last five years. You love to bash cops, but you want them all to above reproach. You want to treat them as second class citizens, but demand that you be treated as a step above.

One of the members earlier stated that cops are jealous because they cannot afford a vehicle like a Lightning, what with their low pay and all.................My question is, if you really do respect the Law as you claim to do, where were you then? Why no outcry at such a blatant slap at an entire profession?

Those of you who have been here for the earlier cop-bashing threads know my REAL position. Those of you who bash cops are the real losers. You couldn't have stomached my job for a day, let alone make a profession out of it.

And now were at a point where a senior member refers to me as a "amoral scumbag"...................Ah, the high road....

It's great to be a member of the "Lightning Community"..............



I was just joking too.
 
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