Wow, that sucks... Over in Robbinsville, NJ (Washington Township), they buy the inmates food from a local diner!

 

93Cobra....

Just which doors besides the City jail door and the County jail door that were closed
on me in under 13 hours were you talking about.

The handle and ankle cuffs don't count.

By the way I was a Military Policeman for 4 years.....

I knew what to expect.

Just remember when I'm run over, it want be from behind....

 

HI!... This reminds me of the time I left my truck at the dealer for some warrenty work. I specificaly told them to bring my truck in at night into the shop. They left it outside and someone stole all 4 of my center caps off my rims. In the morning I demanded new one's and they gave me the bull***** run-a-round about they are not responsable for vehicles left out in their lot over night. After arguing with them for about 2 hours I walked outside to the dealers lot and took 4 new center caps off one of the new F-150's in their lot and mounted them on my truck. I then left with no problems.

 

 

 

So did Ford have an inspector come out and check out your engine or did the dealership themselves look it over and decided to void it? What was their reason for voiding also? I'm just curious since it seems lately everyone is having problems getting any warranty work done to their Lightnings from Ford. If this keeps up, can't we all just team up against Ford so the courts can see that they are just flat out denying everyone warranty work? I feel as if a boycott is needed to get their attention.

 

I'll give ya credit man, you got their attention.

But why arrest you if when the two policemen came to your house, they said no felony was committed?

I also don't know if its in your best interest to make those e-mails public, but I for one, are curious how Ford/dealer will respond

GoodLuck fighting your fight

 

Well after a 2 hour meeting with my lawyers I am confident .

I am now considering swearing a warrant out for Theft of Services.

I have had warranty denied and this is a service that is being denied me. Therefore it is "Theft of Services"....Warranty work is
a service. Denial of warrnty is therefore "Theft of Services".

To make this charge it is only required that I as a citizen make the charge.
Hence I will consider this alternative.
It costs the Dealer nothing to make this accusation. The state prosecutes.
The Dealer seems to think he has nothing to lose.

I have been wronged and a service has been "stolen from me".......

 

Have you ever thought about relocating to Canada?

Unfortunately you may be biting off more than you can chew. I don't see how a judgement decision on denying warranty is theft of services, but I haven't agreed on a lot of your methods on dealing with this issue. Good luck. I think you're really going to need it.

 

It sabout damn time ford be held by the law to give what we PAY for! All wbest wisheds with you pal. get them hosed!

 

I'm confused You don't give any sort of a timeline or explain in detail what's going on here.

Anyone who reads my posts or has visited my Website can see that I think Ford Motor Company generally sucks in all respects. Myself and my entire family have actually resolved to never again buy a new Ford product. Why give them our money and spend so much on a new vehicle when the mother****ers aren't going to honor the warranty anyway, right???

If this is a pissing contest with Ford, you're not going to win even if the warranty is reinstated. Their bottomless pockets and endless pool of attorneys are going to make this much more painful for you than for any one person at Ford.

Your mods:

FilterandChip-Magnaflow X-over
FT ValveBody-4x4TrannyPan
160Hypertech Thermostat
Denso 22's Iridium Plugs
Bucket Seat Conversion-XP Console
Nice Black embroidered mats
AutoMeter Pod w/Phantom Boost Gauge, Tranny and Oil Temp Gauges
Roush Suspension 2" x 3 1/2" Drop
Bedrug-Boss Amp-Infinity Component
MTX Thunderform-Dynamat-
Wet Okoles-Smooth Cowl
3# pounder-Key Pad
Water Wetter-Mobil Synthetics
Royal Purple 75-145 Differential
Leaf Spring Clamps-Caltrac's
385 RWHP-480 RWT
Red 1993 Lightning
Red 99 Lightning 4/30/99 (Totaled)
Black 99 Lightning
5/25/99
Pedigree, gone but not forgotten.
Silver 2001-Silver 95 SHO
88 Gold Merkur xr4ti
88 White xr4ti SVO Package
2000 Buell X-1 Lightning
with Factory race kit.

Was the warranty denied flat-out because of the chip? Legally, Ford cannot deny your warranty because of an aftermarket chip. They need to prove that the chip is the reason for a failure. Because of this, their protocol dictates that an engineer tear your engine down to verify any failure.

I see that the engine fell apart and I take it the warranty was voided because of the chip?? Instead of contacting Ford or going through arbitration, you had the dealer perform the work and then came back in the middle of the night and took your truck without paying the dealer??? Is that it???

Who built the truck: Ford or the dealer? Although I don't expect we'll find this in writing, Ford actions have made it clear that they will deny/void a warranty for any reason they can conjure up, even if it's illegal. They'll then see if you contest them. How long do you suppose a dealer would be in business if they paid for all the repairs Ford refused? Who's in control of the warranty: Ford or the dealer? Basically, since the warranty is void, you didn't steal from Ford, you stole from the dealer.

Regardless of Ford's behavior, I'm wondering if you didn't complicate the situation more than you had to by taking your truck without paying. The dealer can't go the Ford for the repair costs, so of course they are going after you. What did you expect would happen

I don't know why you ended up in jail. This sounds like a civil issue, rather than a criminal issue, unless you signed something before they repairs were performed that gave them ownership until it was paid for. Were you charged with felony trespass??? Again, you don't give details; just that it was a false charge.

If you had done a little research before acting, you would have known that working with the dealer could have resolved this. Specifically, there was a case a few months ago of a SC Harley with a rod through the oil pan. The dealer denied the warranty at Ford's directive because a chip had been installed. It took the owner 2 months and the filing of a suit to get Ford to inspect the engine. When they did, they foud this was indeed a factory error and not chip related. Ford paid for a new engine with an extended warranty and also made 2 months payments for when the truck was out of commission.

I don't know where you found this "Theft Of Services" law you're referring to either. My law book only states examples related to the illegal use of a service, such as an illegal cable box, or walking out on your hotel bill. The Statute doesn't make any references that would lead me to believe this applies to your case unless the dealer filed these charges against you. I sure hope your lawyers didn't come up with that one.

Although you may have had a case in the beginning, if my interpretation of the situation is at all accurate, I think you've gone and truely ****ed yourself now and are in a whole lot of trouble. Example: If you go into court and try to prove that the engine failed because of a factory defect, who's going to testify for you: The dealer you ripped off??? I doubt it. More likely: The tech will come in and testify that your chip removed the rev limiter and you spiked the RPMs, launching your pistons through the top of your engine. Where's your evidence? It's going to look like you planned all along to have the dealer do the work and then skip out on the bill.

I may be wrong, but what do you expect? You don't give enough details. Just that your warranty was denied so you took your truck without paying for the repairs, went to jail, got a few lawyers.

Keep us informed

 

Sorry to here about all of your problems.
I have watched this and other boards for almost two years and have seen enough of these situations with Ford and their dealers to realize two things:
1. If anything happens to my truck I will use a private vender to do any repairs and try to collect from Ford after the repairs are compleated. They may not reimburse me but I will know that the work was done right.
2. I will think twice and consider how these problems are handeled before I buy another Ford product.
Fortunantly, I have had nothing but positive experiences with my lightning, It rocks!

 

AJ-
Sounds like a good plan and all, but all Twisted has to do is show proof that STOCK Lightnings are blowing plugs/engines, as well (several members of this board are in that boat) and Ford's "chip theory" is shot.

Ford is voiding warranties for a factory defect they refuse to accept fault for and Twisted is calling them on it. He may not be going about it in the best way, but he's sure getting a LOT of attention with his method.

 

But what if Ford produces statistics that shows that more modded vehicles fail then stock vehicles? Ford can then argue that the stock vehicles could fail because of defective parts, machine tolerances not correct or any other big named technical term that the jury may not fully grasp the meaning of. And since those stock failures are less then modded failures it will be more believable, especially to the average person who will be on the jury. Again, that is if Ford can produce statistics like that.




Twisted - good luck dude!

 

co-
That's true, but the fact that there are stock trucks doing this throws up a big red flag, IMO. Stats are stats - they can be skewed to show all kinds of different results (including but not limited to the truth). My big thing (and something that we'll never know) is how many stock Ls belonging to people who don't know about this board have blown plugs? It seems to me that 90% of the people who post on this board have some sort of mod, so the "pool" we're drawing our stats from are off. To us, it looks like mainly modded Ls are blowing plugs, but look at the ratio of stock to modded Ls on this site.

Guess everything depends on which group of owners Ford chooses to sample...