Like JL I have heard some disturbing things about REM emailing and IM'ing competitors customers after they post a question.

The first time I heard it a few months ago I ignored it but now it seems to be coming from all sides.

I'm not sure what Steve's opinion on this would be but I find the practice disturbing. I had hoped that the vendors here would treat each other with more respect than that.

We have enough issues here without this kind of stuff..

Doug

 

Head porting good, vendor fighting bad, pretty obvious.

Only thing I want is for JLP to spell "business" correctly once... lends an air of authority to your post when you don't have the distractions of spelling and grammar problems.

 

2 cool, I corrected it..thanx for the heads up..I admit grammer class i hated!! AutoMechanics I LOVED!!!!! JL

 

"We here @ JLP have received Numerous Complaints about there Tactics!"

Since grammer class is in session, may I suggest that the word there should be their.

 

Come on guys, lets find other things to complain about..

I have pretty good grammar and spelling skills but in my haste often screw up words etc... We dont need to be piling on over spelling...

If you are really serious about spelling try IESpell.. IESpell.com
A free application that adds a spell check button to IE - Just clik it before you click submit...

Doug

 

Oh come on Doug. Are you and JL saying that it is unethical for a supplier(x) to email or IM a consumer who has purchased from another supplier(y), answering a publicly-posed question, with product or service offers? Does any retail supplier own his customer? Thankfully not in this country. What about all the consumers who have purchased from multiple suppliers, which supplier "owns" them? I wouldn't think anyone here would benefit from the restrictive trade practices you seem to be promoting. Anyway I don't need you or JL to make the decision on which supplier contacts me, my delete button works just fine if I don't like the message.

 

I told Paul when we first started REM that we would never resond to negative posts towards us online because it just lends credibility to what is being said, and usually ends up being very unproductive, but I feel I must respond to this.

1) Do we e-mail PROSPECTIVE customers......absolutely. When a person says something online about a supercharger, or any other product we sell, I will send them an email telling them that if they would like a comparison, then please feel free to call Paul or I and we would discuss alternatives with them. I thought thats what this forum was about, more alternatives and more information. They have the right to call or not. If they want to buy the product from someone else....so be it, but at least they knew there was an alternative. The manufacturers that we represent, expect us to forward their products to the best of our ability. That is what we do.

2) Most people on these boards don't buy their parts from just one vendor. Some do, but most don't. The ones that do are easy to spot. Their flags are waving high and thats cool. I just don't think because someone buys a product or two from one guy, that no one else should be allowed to ask that person if he would like to see an alternative.

3) The real disturbing part about this, to me, is that the moderator, who is supposed to be unbiased, made a statement about us without contacting us in any way shape or form to even ask, let alone verify, that this information, which obviously came from a biased source, was true. We will have to decide at renewal time if that was appropriate.

This is the ONLY post I will make about this, so do not expect another response.

If anyone has a question they would like to ask, our number is 954-917-9200. If someone wants to email me, please feel free to do so. TimBurntire@aol.com.

ps.....Our prices are on an open forum on our website at www.razorsedgemotorsports.com. They do not vary, as someone earlier had suggested.

pss....We will not trash anyone else online, we find that inappropriate. If we have a problem with something or someone, we will have the courtesy to call them directly.

Tim
REM

 

You called me a "KB homer" a couple of months ago, but I guess that was okay.

 

The point I was trying to make was that if for example, I posted a question to REM about their Power Tube I wouldnt expect to get unsolicited email or IM ( The definition of SPAM ) from a 3rd party.

Its not about ownership or restriction, its about practices. As I stated ... In my opinion the practice is disturbing. Of course some folks dont believe I should have or express an opinion.

I would have never mentioned it if I hadnt heard it from 3 separate independant sources. I waited 2 or 3 months after I first heard about it, confirmed the story twice more, and In fact what I posted turned out to be true... So since its true as was confirmed above, where's the issue ? The fact that it was posted ? The fact that I backed up another members post with the independant info I knew ? Or are we back to the propblem of me having and expressing an opinion ?

Lets not talk about the issue ... Its far more fun to attack the messenger.

Doug

Interesting related news New York wins spammer case

 

Doug, I didn't(or wouldn't) suggest that you shouldn't express your opinion, I'm saying your opinion is wrong in this case.
An email/IM reply to a posted question on a public forum can not be described as SPAM because the poster is soliciting responses from the group, otherwise the poster would send a private message directly to an individual. Secondly, all the poster/recipient has to do is send a reply that he has no interest or just delete, end of story. Instead, what we have here are some people trying to curry favor with a particular tuner(s) by creating a controversy. Some things never change.

 

Lets see iI have been Anto JDM, Pro SAL, Pro JDM, now I am pro JL ? Or am I anti REM ? I cant keep track anymore.

How can an opinion be wrong ? Its an opinion. You can disagree but that doesnt make my opinion wrong.

In my example the post was directed at one Tuner. While you are right that this is a public forum and that to a degree the email addresses are public.

If you read the link I posted the State of New Yourk judged that the source of the email addresses is immaterial. If you didnt "opt in" or request feedback from THAT sender - It is spam...

Im not trying to curry favor with anyone. I have never bought anything from either JL or REM. I am simply trying to keep things on the right track.

Lets get back to talking about Trucks

 

Doug - you are a moderator. To most people your job should be a black and white one, no gray area. Something out of line you fix it, no matter who it is everyone gets treated the same. Whenever you voice your own opinion you should expect that to some it will be a biased opinion.

With that said, IMO you should not have posted any of the info unless REM has contacted you personally about a product that you were dealing with another vendor on, ie - a personal experience.

Because no matter if what you state is the truth or not, you are still playing the "He said, she said" game. And unless you have facts to prove you are right, the info is second hand making it a very dangerous game to play.

That is probably one of the biggest reasons why we have so many tuner wars. Alot of people lay out second hand info, or make up stuff based on what others said.

 

Ok, let's nip this thing in the bud right now.

1) Doug is a moderator, but Doug is also entitled to his opinion. Not everything he types necessarily reflects an official view of F150online so it should not always be taken that way.

2) Nobody is being accused of this, but if a vendor, Supporting or otherwise, uses these forums to intentionally solicit business away from Supporting Vendors, especially if replying to an inquiry posed to the other Supporting Vendor and not directly to them, they will not receive an invoice or opportunity to continue as a Supporting Vendor for this site. I find that practice sleazy and unprofessional.

2a) I am NOT soliciting evidence of wrongdoing by posting item #2.

3) If there are conflict between the vendors, settle them offline. This forum is not the place for these matters, simple as that.

That is the OFFICIAL F150online (i.e. Steve) view on the subject.

If you want to start a new thread on the original thread topic, please go ahead. But, this thread will be closed for obvious reasons.