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Old Dec 19, 2002 | 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Bill Murray Gigi jumped on a thread on the HD forum regarding a guy who "lost his supercharger whine" as well as experiencing a loss of power.
Bill, I am that guy. My truck is lacking power it used to have (not having supercharger whine, or having it less than it was before, is a symptom related to it).

Before anyone here starts being smarta$$ and questioning validity of my statements let me just say that I have several people that have driven with me in my truck both before and after that started happening that can swear in front of court I am speaking truth. On top of that I have person that is very experienced with these trucks (lets just say he is closely involved in their manufacturing) that can atest he personally noticed truck not sounding right. I also have dyno chart that several competent people had concerns over when it comes to RPM range.

Even more, check out this thread http://www.fordtruckworld.com/forums....asp?id=110981 That guy too is reporting sudden loss of boost. Interesting, isn't it?

In other words: I can't say are Gigi's statements valid or not, but you better believe my thread in Harley Davidson forum stems from legitimate concern.

Originally posted by Bill Murray The conspiracy theory:
I don't believe there is any conspiracy. If there was such a thing as a "theft ring" they would have snatched these vehicles moment they left dealerships.

However, I do find it extreme coincidence that person that is an absolute stranger to me reports issue similar to mine (her truck allegedly lost power after 3 months and 5200 miles after purchase, mine started "laboring" 4 months and 6000 miles after purchase and lost whine and power approximately 5 months and 8000 miles after purchase) and that BOTH of our trucks are originating from same dealership. She could not have known where I got my truck from because I did not mention that publicly anywhere. Only me, my wife, and salesman that was involved in dealership transfer know that. Only other person that could know that is someone that has access to Ford records. Nobody else could know that, and I didn't even ask Gigi where she got her vehicle from, dealership name popped up while she was complaining how they were not helpfull. That is too much of a coincidence.

By the way, I also don't believe relays play any role because I haven't met yet a single person that has them different.

I too look forward to serious postings that can contribute to constructive discussion on why would these engines start suddenly showing lack of power.

Thanks!

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Old Dec 19, 2002 | 05:10 PM
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ZoranC, if you want serious suggestions, here ya go: either the boost bypass is open constantly for some reason, easily checked (third time saying it) by unplugging the bypass solenoid, or someone at the dealership did a bad job of adjusting the boost actuator. For that one look over here midway down the page.

The blower whines most when under load, making boost. When the bypass is open, such as at idle/cruise, the whine is much less noticeable.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2002 | 06:04 PM
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2Cool,

Thanks you for your input. I will have both checked on Monday (I finally found person I can trust around my vehicle, I did not want to do it myself before, lets say that I am challenged when working on the vehicles).

Thank you again!

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Old Dec 19, 2002 | 06:05 PM
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ZoranC:

Eeeeasy buddy, I said I'm not dissin' and I meant it sincerely.
Sometimes anyone's web postings tend to go into short hand ie, "some guy". I meant no disrespect by that. Been here a long time on this board and got a lot of problems solved; made a lot of friends too.

As to my "conspiracy theory" that was posted somewhat in jest but you never know. On the other hand, your "coincidence theory" may be just as valid. The dealer/dealers may have a Darryl & Darryl combo that just cannot resist tinkering with the trucks and mess them up either out of lack of skill or perhaps even on purpose. Wierd strain of "***** envy" maybe.

The boost bypass concept sounds valid to me as well. More than once I eased my 99 Bolt up through the speed range fairly slowly to maybe 100-120, late at night no traffic. Just enough throttle to keep increasing the speed. Blower was as quiet as a mouse pretty well near to the top when it had to kick in to overpower the wind resistance and my foot went closer to the floor.

As to Gigi's problems, I really can't say. Again no disrespect, but the case is being presented (as many have commented on) in such a way as to make it pretty hard to follow. If the boost bypass concept turns out to be valid, then all this discussion of fuses etc. really is not very relevant to the real problem perhaps.

Merry Christmas and I hope you get your truck sorted out.
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Old Dec 19, 2002 | 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Bill Murray Eeeeasy buddy, I said I'm not dissin' and I meant it sincerely.
Sometimes anyone's web postings tend to go into short hand ie, "some guy". I meant no disrespect by that
Bill, don't worry, I did not take it in negative way. I had to step in though so that others are fully informed. I did not want that, just because Gigi has trouble expressing herself, guys turn this, or my problem, into a circus.

Originally posted by Bill Murray On the other hand, your "coincidence theory" may be just as valid.
Might be, might be not. We will find out once I get to the bottom of issue with my truck. It will be also interesting to see results of Gigi's dyno once she does it. I hope she does it ASAP because until then we have nothing firm to work with.

Originally posted by Bill Murray More than once I eased my 99 Bolt up through the speed range fairly slowly to maybe 100-120, late at night no traffic. Just enough throttle to keep increasing the speed. Blower was as quiet as a mouse pretty well near to the top when it had to kick in to overpower the wind resistance and my foot went closer to the floor.
That's fine, that is how it is supposed to work. With my truck though I would slam it and result would be nothing, no boost, no whine, no nothing, just gradual acceleration. Since I have been back from dealer I do get some boost/whine in various quantities, but never even close to what it used to have/do.

Originally posted by Bill Murray The boost bypass concept sounds valid to me as well.
Gut feeling tells me it is something related to boost, whatever that might be. "Just" need to find it. I have Monday appointment with one of the best independent Lightning technicians. We will see what he finds out. One of first things we'll do is put boost gauge on it. I will also have them check boost actuator, valve you mentioned, and pulleys for any slipping. Than we will take it from there.

Merry Christmas to you too!

ZoranC
 
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Old Dec 20, 2002 | 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Speedin Bob
Sounds like something that stands on that bridge and won't let people cross until they answered riddles.

TROLLS? That's what all the people in the U.P. call all the
people in Lower Michigan ... "Hairy creatures that live below
the bridge ... "

HEH HEH HEH
 
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 09:22 AM
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Any new info or developments on this???

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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 11:52 AM
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Here's the solution.

1. Dyno the truck at a reputable dyno shop. Make 3 runs, to show that it is truly down on power. After being at the Dyno Day on Sat., a stock 01-02 truck should make 340-350 RWHP.

2. Compare it to other trucks stock, or similarly moded. Establish that it is still "down on power".

3. Take it to another dealer in SoCal. I suggest Ken Grody, in Buena Park. Talk to Mike Baek, he understands the Lightning fairly well. They have been nothing but professional for my service needs.

Gigi, I hope this helps!
 
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 10:10 PM
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Found a NEW toy ...


 
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 10:35 PM
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Old Dec 26, 2002 | 10:52 PM
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IF they can't figure it out at the dealer Jay recommended, might I suggest you contact Art Bell?

He's in the Kingdom of Nye.

www.artbell.com

G
 
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Old Apr 11, 2003 | 06:40 PM
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Same thing happened to me. I swear! -Mat-
 
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