I'm 'old' so forgive me but I can't remember his name---I'm referring to the fireman that spoke at that NY concert a couple of weeks ago where he said(paraphasing) "Here's my face, and I live in --------, NY--b***h." Isn't his home near where the plane crashed?

Dan

 

Just a couple thoughts. Why select a plane carrying passengers out of the country? Odds are that many would'nt be US citizens. Why has'nt any group claimed responsibility? (Current time is 6:35pm EST 11/13/01) ennis

 

It was just announced that the majority of people on the plane were Americans. I don't think they'd care if it were a Lufthansa plane just so long as it HIT an American target. Now that Osama has finally ADMITTED he was behind the 9/11 attacks, we see that his "goals" were symbols of American finance & business - the people who died were a "perk" ih his disgusting eyes.
I still find it hard to accept that it was not terrorist related - we had those warnings just last week, they have absolutley determined it was NOT a bird being sucked into the engines, there was NO Mayday or distress call from the pilot & noises were heard on the voice recorders prior to the impact. They also find it "unusual" that the tail broke away so cleanly & w/o any evidence of fire or explosion. Contrary to initial reports, the Coast Guard said the pilot did NOT jettison the fuel into the sound - something that's SOP in the event of a mechanical malfunction leading to an emergency impact.
There's just too many "huh's?" here for me to believe it was just sheer rotten luck or being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I also believe that as LIGHTNINROD said the firefighter may have come from that area - the 1 who basically challenged Osama to come get him. Well, then add me to the list - I'd give that low life ALL the info he needed to find me! It would be worth it just to have the chance to try to eradicate that kind of garbage from this planet! I'd do anything to protect my country & my home - NYC.

 

The way it broke up...and the multiple crash areas makes me believe it was not an accident.

 

I understand, jayrager, that opinions were asked for and are being offered.

My point is this: The internet and television have created an environment where information can and is sent out incredibly quickly, much quicker than ever before. Unfortunately, somewhere along the line much of the fact checking and truth has gone out the window in the rush to get the biggest scoop. Oftentimes, the biggest casualty in all of this is the truth that gets smeared in all the hype, lies, paranoia, and attention seekers using events for their own personal gain. I've personally recieved so many e-mail hoaxes and seen so many 'news' stories that turn out to be false that I take every story I hear with a LARGE grain of salt and do my own research to learn what I can about the truth. Unfortunately, too many people these days take whatever they are spoon fed from the media - liberal, conservative, it doesn't matter - and take it as the gospel. They never use their brain to think anymore about what they are told.

No I'm not some journalist or journalist wanna be, just an engineer who likes to exercise my mind before forming an opinion.

Based on whats out there today, I do not feel it was a terrorist incident. Yes, it is perpelexing to see the tail section so cleany sheared off the plane, but I don't find it terribly unusual that parts were found in three different locations. That simply means parts of the plane broke off before impact. Why, yet to be determined by the NTSB, the group that has taken the lead in investigating the crash. If it were considered a terrorist attack, the investigation would be led by the FBI with help from the NTSB. Engines are often mounted in a way that they will shear off in the event of catastrohic vibrations, etc. in a bid to protect the structural integrity of the plane. May or may not be the case here. As fourhour pointed out, an engine fell off of a DC-10 many years ago on takeoff. The plane crashed. It was determined that improper engine removal and reinstallation resulted in the failure (It also was American Airlines should anyone care). Stuff breaks, thats life, but intelligent folks are working to deterine the cause of the accident, and it will take time.

In a small way, terrorists have won part of their battle because now you think of them whenever something bad happens. That just makes them issues look more important. I'll choose to consider that terrorism may be a possibility, but only that, until conviced otherwise.

If I'm wrong, fine, but I'll wait and make a more informed decision with the FACTS that some just see as inconveniences.

 

I just read in the paper that the majority of the passengers on flight 587 were Dominicans or of Dominican descent.

Too early in the investigation to form an opinion.

 

I agree with gopher all the way. This crash has been over hyped as it is. I do believe it was an accident, and if it's proven to be terrorism by the investigation, I'll change my mind then. I'm not saying it wasn't purposely done, but I can wait for the truth to be found. If we panic about it and speculate, then "they" have won already.,,,,,98

I also heard that, F150_guy. I never did hear that the majority was americans. It's too early in the winter for tourists to be rushing down there, IMO.

 

I agree Dustoff. The plane was sabotaged or blown up. The wreckage was scattered. I did hear that most of the passengers were from the Dominican Republic. I doubt we'll ever hear the gov't say it was a terrorist action though.

 

98Screamer,

I guess you are equating having and opinion and commenting on something to be panic?

 

Wake up folks and smell the reality of the situation as it really is. What really are the odds of this happening again over the same city.. Come on face the facts do the math here, if it had happened over another city i could believe an accident but no way folks... This is true reality, look at closely...

 

My opinion on this matter is nothing - meaning I will wait for the investigation to complete before I react.

I would like to say how sorry I am for those with loved ones lost on this latest crash. My thoughts are with you.

I do have an opinion on one thing. I think spreading panic and hysteria should be a federal crime. Just a thought.

 

IMO it was terrorist related and nothing we change my mind, even when the official results come out, if the investigation says it was accidental I still won't believe it. My reasoning:

They already hijacked 4 planes, took out 2 of our biggest landmarks, and part of a Federal Gov't building. If you asked Americans on 9/10 if they thought what happened on 9/11 was possible, I would guess most would believe that our country is to *secure* for that to happen. But it did. And I think that proves without a doubt that they (terrorists) have enough planning, patience, resources and are clever enough to make this incident look like an accident.. All it takes is group a people with plans of the engine, and 1 maintenance repair man to do a little *alteration*, and next thing you know the engine can fall of at any time.

 

They probably had the same a$$hole in quality control that told me my pinging '98 is normal.

Seriously though, what are the odds of a plane falling out of the sky and crashing to begin with 5,000,000 to 1? (Of course that isn't exact, but for the purpose of making my point) add on to that what the odds are it would fall in suburban NY then add on to that the odds that it occured at the very worst time in our nations history - collectively it seems like too big of a coincidence to me. And I would have to agree with whoever said IF it was a mechanical failure that you'd think the pilot would have mentioned there having problems sometime in 4 minutes. (To the pilot, that four minutes would have seemed like weeks!) Either way you can bet it will be a year tell they come out with there final report and we know anything.

 

i believe it may have been terrorist related.
some things seem odd to me. of course the place where it occcured. also the fact that the pres. and the sec of defense come on t.v. to tell us this is just a mech failure. since when do we need people of such authority to report failures. having the faa report it as such would be just as calming to the public as having them do it.
next how are they able to determine it was a failure so quickly. usually it takes months before they know the cause.
finally i have a friend at work who is a licensed multi eng. pilot and used to work as a flight controller. according to him since the dc10 accident one thing that has been done is that the planes are capable of flying even after losing an engine. he says that the motor probably ingested a metallic object that caused it to fall off. the bottom of the cabin was his suggestion. when it was blown off it took out the hydraulic and communication lines.
again this is all speculation but it was interesting to talk to him.

 

I'm not equating it, just saying this "OMD! It's them again!!" mentality is exactly what the terrorists thrive on. It is there purpose in life to cause that kind of fear.,,,,,98