I've been a life member for the last 15 years and also getting their emails and I've never seen them send anything like that.

I don't agree with everything that they have done, but the good FAR outweighs the bad.

 

So who else fights for those rights for us? What do you do to fight for them? Do you donate your time or money to help further the fight against our rights? Maybe when the state you live in tries to become like California you will better understand.

 

Here are a few reminders of what we as citizens are up against. Do you think the laws the pass on us will effect them? Hell no, they will exempt their privileged asses from it just like they always do. And the NRA is one of a few organizations that fights for us. If you do not want to help by joining the NRA then Click the link in my signature to help donate to an organization that is fighting for us in California. It does not cost you one penny simply click the link prior to shopping on Amazon and a portion of the money you already spend goes to help fight our unconstitutional laws here in Comifornia.

http://news.yahoo.com/assault-weapon...-politics.html

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...rds-Photo-Leak

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...News-Leaks-Out

 

Fair enough. I was a member for a number of years myself until I saw what I felt was inappropriate actions being taken by the NRA. That got me doing some further digging... and I was less than pleased.

 

I lived in California at the time my major turning point incident took place, and was active duty military at the time. It didn't take much digging to figure out just how ineffective the NRA is in terms of the amount of funding that actually goes towards lobbying efforts and firearms training. They spend a whole lot of money trying to make more money.

They have a number of grossly overpaid staffers, including people making over a million dollars. Do you really think these people do this just to help our Constitutional rights? Ted Nugent and several other members of the board do it for free... they are the ones really fighting for fair rights.

If you actually look at their tax reporting only somewhere around 10% of the money goes towards the causes they claim to support so well. Do you think all the overpaid people are going to take big pay cuts to allow more funding to the cause?


Here's an article that might wake you up some.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigma...o-defend-guns/


As for the suggestion that I don't value Constitutional rights because I don't belong to the NRA, it's no more valid than one of the anti gun crowd stating that all NRA members are radical gun slinging nutters. Neither statement can be validated with truth.

 

So what if he gets paid, it is a job you get paid to do a job as well I am sure.

And no one asked you to come in here and start thread crapping. You could have just as easliy kept your opinions to yourself and moved on if you do not like the NRA. Instead you chose to thread crap just because you can.

Move along now nothing more to say. And I ask you again what have you done to protect your rights?

 

Freedom of speech is a constitutional right.... but based on your lack of ability to downplay my points, now it's "thread crapping". Unless the owners have a policy against having an opinion, it's a freedom I choose to use from time to time. If you hadn't posted your IMO shallow view that all that like their constitutional rights should belong to the NRA then I probably wouldn't have bothered to reply.

Maybe you need to pay 10% so some lobbyist can tell that to a lawmaker, I don't. A letter, email, appearance at their office, or other means can accomplish the same thing.

And really, if you want someone to "move along", don't follow that with a question as if you have somehow "won" in your attempt at internet dominance. They might come back and make valid points that you have a hard time disputing.

 

You do understand that this is a privately owned forum and your first amendment rights do not apply here. They can prevent you from saying what ever they want. Glad to see you trust our politicians so much that you choose not to have someone with power on our side to oppose them. And you keep evading the question. You have alos been thread crapping from the start does not matter when i bring it up.

 

So we've established that you never received the email you claimed to have received, and now you're bellyaching about the NRA needing to pay employees.

Oh they are so rotten because they don't have people working for them for free. Gotcha.

 

Firstly, you've noticed in past posts that I said nothing caustic to you, you can choose to support whatever organization you want and it doesn't bother me. My responses were to someone that implied by not joining the NRA, I don't support my constitutional rights. Being that such a statement is grossly incorrect, I'm not going to let someone promoting their cause make false statements that apply to a great deal of the population that doesn't belong to the NRA.

As for email... no I never received such an email. It was in the days before email, so it was snail mail. Once again I could really care less what you want to believe, but on the few responses on this thread alone another person has identified leaving the organization after excess spam. Maybe you should question his integrity as well, since you will obviously oppose truth as it applies to the NRA. After getting the mails I looked into the tax returns of the NRA as it was obvious to me they were spending a lot of money trying to get more money and free support. But if you read the previous email you would already know that.

The only thing you've established is that you are willing to reduce yourself to questioning the integrity of someone you know nothing about that doesn't support the NRA. Quite a fine representation of someone that supports constitutional rights don't you think?


I didn't state that paid people aren't needed for such a big charity, but people grossly overpaid is a waste of the money people spend. If they didn't have board members making in the million dollar range they would be much more effective at the cause they are claiming to support so well. But if you are happy with 10% of your contribution going to the actual cause, by all means keep sending them your money.

I'd be more than happy to help you find other investment opportunities that result in such a poor return on your money.

 

You do understand that I've already identified the owners of the site are allowed rules right? If you actually read the entire response you might know that.

I don't need lobbyists to provide power for me, I'm allowed to lobby any member of congress with my own time. There are a number of free organizations that do the same. Hell we have a local pizza joint that holds meetings and gets involved in such stuff, including sending people to Washington.

There are also a number of veterans organizations that do lobbying in DC, most of them very efficient with their funding.

Maybe you just can't understand that by application of stereotypes that don't fit your personal views, you are insulting people that you know nothing about that might actually accomplish the same thing in another way. I've already stated that if you view wasn't so shallow I probably would have never responded.


Now that I've identified what I've done to protect my constitutional rights, why don't you tell us what you've done other than donate to an organization that is ineffective with their funds?

 

I never implied any such thing that is merely how you interpreted it . Then because you have a grudge against the NRA you chose to be a troll in this thread. And your delusional at best if you truly think you writing your reps does any good. Although I do fully support and encourage everyone too do so, even though It does absolutely no good as those in power have chosen to ignore us and do what they think is best for us, which is why we need an organization such as the NRA with power fighting on our side.

You still have not said what you do. You have told us about organization you know of but not told us what you personally do other than writing your rep's which again is pointless and useless.

I personally donate money and my time to both the NRA and another local 2nd amendment organization here is California.

 

This is fairly clear. You openly state that anyone who values the Constitution and owns gun should belong to the NRA. If you didn't intend to imply that people who chose not to belong to the NRA and own guns don't value the Constitution, my apologies.

With that said, I still disagree. Do you feel better now?

I have no grudge against the NRA any more than I have a grudge against any charity organization that grossly overpays some members and is very inefficient in their use of funds. Over the years I've found that most supporters of such tax exempt organizations have little if any idea how much of their money goes to the actual cause. I choose my donations wisely, and being that tax information for not for profit organizations is public info, I encourage everyone else to do the same.

You state that writing reps does no good, but then encourage everyone to do so. If I actually felt it did no good I would discourage anyone else from doing so and suggest something more productive. But I've seen responses from lawmakers suggesting that the hordes of mail they got had a direct impact on their votes. If nothing else it reminds them that they have to be elected.

And if you think the above doesn't imply something I haven't said, I agree. In this case you openly state what I think, even though you know little if anything about me. Does NRA membership make you psychic as well?

Do you really think that:

1) I listed off those other resources without being involved in them?

2) I feel obligated in the slightest to justify what I do being you've made it clear that any non NRA member in your view isn't properly supporting the Constitution?


If you had slowed down enough to actually read my posts instead of trying to put words in my mouth it might have occurred to you that a person who made some references to veterans organizations just might be a veteran.

But let me guess, veterans probably haven't done anything to support or defend constitutional rights unless they also belong to the NRA right?

 

Oh you mean like you did too me? And there you go once again being a troll (in Bold). I was going to accept the apology as what I typed is not what you interpreted it to be and is not what I meant at all. . But then you come at me yet again with another Troll line so what ever.

And I knew you would have to reply once again as it seems you must always get the last line in. My guess is you will do it once again. But you will get no reply from me regardless so have a nice day and god bless.

 

I didn't make a statement, I posed a question. I've apologized for assuming something you didn't state, so I don't know what else you expect.

With the whole constitutional rights thing comes freedom of speech. I can't speak for you and you can't speak for me. I've clarified my stance on the issue when I felt I had no need to justify to anyone why I made my decisions.

In either case, no offense intended, but it wasn't an attempt to troll. It's your choice to believe what you want, but it's also my choice to defend if I feel something is said that doesn't represent the truth in regards to me.

Here's a link you might like... this place is within walking distance from my house.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2706586.html