Diesels without today's emission controls are a WHOLE different story. I'd bet that a small diesel in a 1/2 ton truck without all that crap and without dealing with ULSD fuel would knock down a consistent 30+ mpg and maintenance would be a lot less costly. I have a friend with a 2001 Excursion with a modded/tuned 7.3, and before ULSD he used to get 26 mpg on the highway. Just ULSD has dropped that down to about 21.

If you really think you need a diesel, you probably need a 1 ton truck anyway.

 

It'll be interesting to see how this one measures up, but at a 5 grand upcharge the only takers will be the guys that need a truck to secure their income. Contrary to what many believe, a Diesel engine isn't cheaper to operate than a gasoline engine. Diesel engines just spend less time in the shop.

 

This isn't Europe. If it was, we'd all be enjoying 75+ mpg in 3-cylinder diesel cars by now

 

Name me a Euro 1/2 ton that is the equivalent of the same year model F-150, Ram 1500 or Silverado 1500. Most of the Euro trucks are Ranger sized or smaller and do not have the same payload and tow ratings as the American version does. Also, an open barrel of burning crude oil would spew less emissions than a Euro diesel from the 80's.

 

Don't be so Naive ha ha.

Here's a Flash VW 1/2 ton.



How about a 1 ton Twin wheeler.



2.4 Turbocharged Diesel will pull anything an F350 will legal. Probably twice as reliable.

Am a big Fan of te Merc Sprinters. The 5 pot TDI's are real quick.

 

That VW you originally called a Ford (yeah, I caught that) is rated for maximum trailer weight of 2500kg (5500 lb) and has a maximum payload of 1058 kg (2328 lb). Compared to a F-150 max trailer weight of 11,300lb and 3120lb payload.

So don't be naive and call that equal. It's right at half or close to a Ranger like I said in the first place.

 

Ah I just typed in Transit and copied the pic. Looks like a tranny on an I-Phone lol.

Still thou what about the Dually?

And a Transit can do 5500kgs gross.

The whole point of the post is to show a Pick up can work with a 2.4 Diesel.

Move up to bigger trucks like 7.5 Toners that use a similar Cummins that's in a RAM.

 

The Ford UK site lists the dual wheel rated at 1661kg (3652lb) so just over the F-150 max. Forget about comparing it to the 350.

I lived in Europe, I know what they have over there but you're comparing commercial vehicles to light duty trucks. Sure you could cherry pick a Euro OTR truck and say it will out pull a North American pickup but you would be comparing apples to llamas.

 

The New Ford F150 4.4-liter diesel engine scooped!





At last week's dealer show in Las Vegas, a picture of Ford's upcoming 4.4-liter V8 diesel powerplant was leaked to the Internet... ouch. Designed to offer comparable acceleration to the current 5.4-liter gasoline Triton, the new engine should be rated at about 330 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. Fuel economy is expected to be around 20% better.


Then I woke up

 

Spent the first 30 year of my life living in Europe lol.

Not sure what's going on with Fords website but a Dual wheel tranny can pull a 5 ton Mini Excavator no worries. Even the old ones with the 2.0 Yorkie Gas engine in could do it.

And that's exactly the difference between here and Europe. (And the rest of the world) A pick up truck is a work truck. Vast majority of trucks here haven't towed or even carried anything. I haven't towed in my 1/2 ton and have only carried an engine block in the box.

Anyhow back to the point.

Could an F150 manage with a 3 litre straight 6 diesel?

YES and it looks like Dodge might have figured this out. Or feedback relating to this engine option might have made it to the top. I remember when the 6.2 Ford lump was launched and the majority of the sensible, working F150 owners expressed an interest in a small torque'y DERV.

Av heard about the diesel here bein low quality but my Land cruiser ran on a 13% Water / fuel mix when I lived in Africa. Same as Indo.

 

A Land Cruiser would run on a wino's pi$$! The new diesels are very picky compared to their older siblings, the emissions rules dictate that. Ask VW how terrible the diesel in NA is. They have had a ton of issues when they launched the latest series of TDIs. The silt in the fuel would clog filters and cause the pressure to drop. The low sulfur doesn't lubricate the pumps near as well as the Euro juice does and the silt clogs injectors. They have warrantied a ton of cars and completely redesigned the fuel system for the NA TDIs. The problem is the in injectors are larger to stop the clogging which means the fuel control is diminished causing the power and economy to drop. More filters were added to catch the junk but they also have to be replaced.

At one time I wanted a diesel F-150 but not anymore, it's not worth the trouble. The fuel is $.50/gallon, there's more oil, more filters to change, urea to add and a couple of thousand more to buy. The 4.4L diesel Ford was going to use had 330 Hp and 420Tq. My EB has 365Hp and 420Tq with a lot better mileage than my old 5.4s did. It also doesn't have the added maintenance and fuel costs of a diesel. Oh, and it only added $150 to my purchase price. I have friends with F-250s that are seriously looking at trading them for EBs.

EDIT:
Mopar diesel info I just saw this. Unless this thing gets 30+ MPG I'm not that impressed.

 

^ you nailed it Wookie!! Diesel in a 1/2 ton is all hype. EB more than takes care of any 1/2 ton needs. Any more then you need a Superduty.

 

I'm going to start hanging out over here more. Seems to be more reasonable people.

I'm a die hard diesel man. I'd ditch my Eco to get back in a scorpion in the blink of an eye. But a half ton diesel is nothing more than a marketing ploy to get people back to dodge from ford.

 

The new Dodge diesel has a rating of 8.3L/100k or in US terms, 34 mpg peak efficiency. It'll be hooked to an 8 speed auto only. Folks that drive a lot will want these trucks. Don't think you are comparing apples to apples when you say it's more expensive to own. With the improved fuel mileage being about double that of most EcoBoosts, that makes the cost per mile cheaper. Oil changes will not be in the 15qt range like a Powerstroke and does not require any special oils, only diesel rated like Rotella. For folk wanting a long life truck that will get great fuel mileage, this is the truck....for now. GM is coming with one in August that should be a great competitor to the Dodge. It will have more HP/Torque though and I haven't seen fuel consumption numbers yet but the GM folks are extremely high on their diesel offering. It will not be a urea engine, oil sump is 6 qts. As with any info from GM, it's liable to change with zero notice so until it's on the streets, nobody will know real numbers but the scoop is it's in the low 4.0L range making 300HP/450lbs torque. It also will be an automatic tranny only offering. Ford is taking the approach that the EcoBoost is the diesel equal. Unless they find a way to fix the never ending issues with the EB, they're going to watch their cash cow become hamburger. Light duty diesel trucks are not for everybody but it certainly will have an impact especially in industries where they can now have one common fuel/oil for all equipment. Commercial markets where they need the extended range of the truck will love the diesel option. Folks that drive a lot like in delivery scenarios will be buying these trucks. Because I travel a lot between work locations-sometimes 375 miles a day, this is a great alternative to my 4.6 Supercrew that's getting tired. And if I replace my current ride, I'm planning on having it bronzed and put on a pedestal just outside of the ranch gate. Yeah, it may not be a favorite for some folks but it's going to sell like hotcakes when they hit the market....providing they don't have issues with the power train. Lets see here, the Pentastar come to mind.....

 

But your EB probably hardly sees 22-23 mpg hwy where this guy could possibly see that in the city. Not to mention we all know what a nice tune can do for a diesel.