I felt bad because I didn't need it, for the most part.

What's boiling your blood is discriminative and well, petty.

A job pays what it pays, -some more than others. Vacation pay is tacked onto your wage, like 4 or 5 dollars per hour and is earned ONLY while working.

In essence, what your saying is if you make a certain amount, you shouldn't get unemployment benefits. That IS EXACTLY what your saying and with that I don't agree.

The unemployment benefit tops out and doesn't increase further in accordance to what one makes. There are many family's whom all have budgets that vary. Unemployment compensation isn't much, but it does help.

Absolutely no reason to get upset, -perhaps jealously ? Well, that's something you may have to tackle yourself.

 

jbrew, it is no matter of jealousy. It's a honestly a matter of values. I was a teacher's assistant and then a special education teacher for many years. That could be considered to be seasonal as schools are generally closed in the summer. I had coworkers who chose to file for unemployment during the summer and I thought it absolutely ridiculous that they did. I chose to work. I worked on construction crews, I cleaned stables, I mowed lawns and eventually I was able to work in a summer school program. But never did I once apply for unemployment. I knew damned well each year that I needed to find alternative employment in the summer and it wasn't the government's role to give me an "entitlement" for that time. I was raised with the value of depending on myself and be self sufficient. I get the part about your union's vacation pay. That was not very different then when I put $ in my savings account aside for the summer. That's your money. It is the fact that they then directed you to file for unemployment benefits that boggles my mind. Like I said, I wasn't raised with that mentality, but I saw it in some of my coworkers and it pi$$ed me off with them too- so don't take it too personally. In my mind it is another clear and simple abuse of a program that was originally designed to help those in our society who most need it, not in this particular case of seasonal "vacations" in your career field or my own.

FYI- I refused to join the union during all those years as well. That is a whole separate issue regarding the lack of productivity in the American work force that I won't get into here.

I can see that we have philosophical differences on this issue that are very deep and will likely not get resolved in this discussion. Jealousy, my fellow F150-loving friend, is not part of this equation on my part. ;-)


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It's hard to believe that they have enough contributions to survive that long.

So it's, -I don't want to work or do most anything that may contribute to my own well being. Unfortunately I'm starving, - please deposit your donation here, -and hurry up about it or I'll have baby!

 

I wonder what web forums the lazy welfare pukes frequent? They probably say how great it is. lol

 

So you would do away with unemployment insurance all together and unions.

Yea, we definitely have a difference of opinion. Don't get me wrong, I don't support abuse or the manipulation of the one.
To add to that, the union, plus their affiliations have helped family and I for a long time. This support will continue for the rest of my life and I can't imagine being without it.

 

Some people just don't understand unions. Both sides.

 

I agree, along with a few other things.

 

I know how the union I'm in and how it works with the company and it sure isn't what the union bashers make it out to be. Not all union members are slugs and not all non union workers are slugs. There are slugs on each side of the coin. It's just easy to target unions these days but the main issue is corporate greed, not union pay and benefits.

 

I don't believe that I stated that I would completely do away with unemployment. There are a FEW circumstances when some folks REALLY need it. Like I stated earlier, as a society, we have the responsibility to provide for those very few who actually need help. And I have no issue with that. I have an issue with the rampant abuse of it.

I had a job that I knew did not include working a couple of months in the summer. I chose that job with that knowledge going into it. I chose to work elsewhere during that "time off" and planned accordingly and did whatever I needed to so that I did not have to count on unemployment. I was capable of working and willing to work. There is a huge difference in that scenario and one where somebody unexpectedly loses their job, without knowing they would be gainfully employed again in two month's time. Especially if this "vacation" is an annually occurring event. I did not and do not view unemployment as my personal savings account. Unemployment should be an absolute last resort. Not something that is just "owed" to me. jbrew, do you see my point?

The union conversation would be a whole separate thread. There definitely are strong beliefs on both sides of the fence there. Yes, stealth, there are too many slugs on both sides of that fence. Our society is becoming a society of entitlement.


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Agree 100%

 

I'd love to jump into one of those for a few comments. :-)


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Been there, done that and it ain't gonna be pretty. Back in the day they would turn ugly in a hurry, people would get butthurt and bans would happen. It was not pretty and went nowhere in a hurry.

 

I wouldn't expect it to be pretty, but yeah, I'm sure I'd be banned quickly. They'd get tired of hearing, "Suck it up and go to work." lol


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Sadly, Brew, I believe he already has. Put ALL the politicians in the unemployment line and things would change in a hurry. Nearly impossible to find one without a "For Sale" sign hung around his neck, and there is simply no shame in it any more, the new "norm".

 

Right, -Joe compromised.