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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hydro1
Once again, you guys are NOT cross shopping comparible vehicles.

The Tucson is comparible to the ESCAPE which BTW gets 21/31 compare to Tucson 22/31. In the Escape you can also sacrifice 1mpg and get the 2.0 EB and rock 240 hp/ 270.

The Edge vs. Santa Fe. The edge beats the Hyundai in MPG (21/30 vs. 20/28) and that mpg figure is with the Ecoboost motor killing the Korean competitor in power (240hp/ 270lb-ft vs. 175/ 169) Edge even has more power with the V6 (285/253 vs. 276/248)

There is no $10 or 15K differences when shopped closely. The Ford cost a little more, but offers better equipment IMHO. The Korean car has a bigger warranty, but from listening to their forums you'll need it.
My Santa Fe was just over $34g's out the door. The comparible Edge was $43g's before tax up here in Canada...
 
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 09:37 PM
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As someone who was a driving age adult when Hyundai's were first introduced in this country, I will never be able to get over the psychological barrier of what wheezing pieces of crap those first vehicles were! They were the kind of vehicle you bought your stepdaughter (the one you didn't like very much) to head off to college in -- the added bonus was that she'd never get a DWI in the thing since it would spend the majority of it's life in the shop.....

I could never buy one because, in my mind, having to purchase a Hyundai as your new vehicle is a sign that your life has been a failure.....
Very wise comment, I also have a fully loaded 2011 FX4 with a price tag well into the 50's (Canadian). I would say im a failure for owning 2 brand new vehicles...
 
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 09:40 PM
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Very wise comment, I also have a fully loaded 2011 FX4 with a price tag well into the 50's (Canadian). I would say im a failure for owning 2 brand new vehicles...
*Wouldnt*
 
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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 2007 Loaded FX4
Very wise comment, I also have a fully loaded 2011 FX4 with a price tag well into the 50's (Canadian). I would say im a failure for owning 2 brand new vehicles...
Again, it's the whole psychological thing -- kind of like how for my father's generation, buying a Cadillac or a Licoln was a social statement of sorts that indicated you had "arrived" or were a "success" in life. Only for me with a Hyundai, it will always be perceived in my mind as a sign that your life has gone terribly wrong somewhere along the line.

Not a comment on the car -- just the stigma that brand will always have for many guys within my age group.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2012 | 12:25 AM
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Thankfully I don't base my level of success in life on what brand of vehicle I own. There are other things way more important to me. What brand and type of vehicle you own is just a preference it doesn't make you who you are; your actions and personality do that.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2012 | 08:00 AM
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People seem to forge how crappy Nissan and Toyota were back in the 70s-80s. You gotta start somewhere.
Excuse me? They were a lot more reliable than any of the domestics back then. It was Nissan and Toyota's success here that woke up the Big 3 to start building quality cars.

I bought a brand new Datsun 510 in 1972. Glad I did, the direct domestic competition was the Pinto and Vega - and we all know how good those things were - NOT.

The only problems the Japanese imports from that era had were poor quality steel in the body panels, they were rustbuckets. The domestics were better, but not by all that much.

I also had a 76 Celica that was bulletproof - except for rust. I put 186k on it, gave it to my stepdaughter when she got her license, and she wrecked it twice. It survived the first crash but the second one totaled it.

I think those older Toyotas and Nissans are more reliable than today's new ones.........
 
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Old Jun 22, 2012 | 08:43 AM
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Excuse me? They were a lot more reliable than any of the domestics back then. It was Nissan and Toyota's success here that woke up the Big 3 to start building quality cars.

I bought a brand new Datsun 510 in 1972. Glad I did, the direct domestic competition was the Pinto and Vega - and we all know how good those things were - NOT.

The only problems the Japanese imports from that era had were poor quality steel in the body panels, they were rustbuckets. The domestics were better, but not by all that much.

I also had a 76 Celica that was bulletproof - except for rust. I put 186k on it, gave it to my stepdaughter when she got her license, and she wrecked it twice. It survived the first crash but the second one totaled it.

I think those older Toyotas and Nissans are more reliable than today's new ones.........

Amen Brother, while I am all for buying Domestic I cant help but like the imports as well. EVERY 07-08 Ford Edge I have looked at has a rusted/bubbled rear drivers side fender...
 
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Old Jun 22, 2012 | 09:11 AM
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That's more of what I'm reffering to glc, they rusted and could fall apart in salty areas like where I live. Their fit and finish has come a long way as well
 
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Old Jun 22, 2012 | 02:52 PM
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That's more of what I'm reffering to glc, they rusted and could fall apart in salty areas like where I live. Their fit and finish has come a long way as well
I also had a 71 240Z. Put 144k on it, it was so rusty that I was jacking it up (at the designated jack point) to take the snow tires off and the jack went right through the floor. Figured it was done for, got rid of it. Guy bought it for the drivetrain, it was still solid.

Other than the rust, the fit and finish was excellent - a far sight better than domestics from that era.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2012 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by glc
The only problems the Japanese imports from that era had were poor quality steel in the body panels, they were rustbuckets. The domestics were better, but not by all that much.
I think that was a malady that affected most cars (both foreign and domestic) from the '70's era. Growing up back in Minnesota, the salt they put on the roads during the winter was merciless when it came to vehicle bodies.

I recall the '73+ GM pick-ups as being the worst for corrosion -- it was not unusual to see the outer bodies of these trucks rusted halfway up to the window line (and I'm not kidding about this!) by the time the trucks were a little over 5 years old.....
 
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Old Jun 30, 2012 | 11:18 AM
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MT just did a shoot out with compact SUV's. Once again they threw a KIA in place of hyundai and it's not any cheaper "price as tested". Oh yeah, the Escape mopped the floor with them. Would love to see the 2.0 EB tested up next to the new RAV4 and Subaru next year.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...uv_comparison/
 
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Old Jun 30, 2012 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by F150 Man 4Eva
As long as you still have a 150. No, its not bad. But I personally like to support Ford and keep my $ in the U.S.
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