Remains of war dead dumped in landfill from 2003-2008

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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 02:12 PM
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There is PM.
Premeditated Motive? lol...nothing in my inbox.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 02:15 PM
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If you actually did your job properly, you'd deleted this thread already there big guy. Its rather clear to see some people have very different opinions about this, and emotions aren't set aside because some people (me) think of my closest of friends who've been killed over here and Afghanistan.
You should really commit to something, either let my words be said, or delete this thread in general. I'm not going to sit back and stay quiet while some jackass says that people like myself are over-reacting. I've unfortunately seen combat, I unfortunately performed first aid in a real life situation. Nothing pisses me off more than devaluing a damn good Soldier, a person who willingly joined to defend this Country.
You are pushing me in the corner to do something I would really rather not do. This is a discussion forum and as long as viewpoints are expressed without insults, calling out other members or using certain profanity, my job is to let the discussion continue. Just because individuals may not like what is posted is not a proper reason for censure. What you do not seem to realize is that personally in principle, I agree with you, but that does not mean I can let your posts that violate our rules, stay.

Here again, you have called another member a name. Just because you can't post properly does not mean the thread should be deleted. You need to calm down before this goes any farther.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JAngel1596
Premeditated Motive? lol...nothing in my inbox.
...and I won't leave you hangin ...
Because I didn't send you one.

I was giving you other options to voice your opinion before you end up getting into any trouble with staff.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 07:02 PM
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Again we are talking about body parts. If a guy looses his leg or what ever he should be able to have that part saved, Cremated or whatever and he should be able to keep it if he wants. Otherwise it needs to be disposed of. Hospitals all across America incinerate there medical waste and ship it to landfills again body parts not whole bodies. Due to the oversensitivity they are burying that waste at sea and that's good. BTW my son is Navy and its not like I'm anti military by along shot. I dont think disposing the medical waste the same way everybody else is, should be a big deal. I just dont get it I guess.
Jethat, First Off I'm a Vet also and completly see your point... If during the course of surgery a foot has to be removed then that body part is not treated the same as the rest of the patient. I have worked in hospitals for years and you are correct. body "parts" are routinely handled this way.... I'm sorry but those are facts and I do not believe every toe, foot, leg, finger or gall bladder needs a plot at Arlignton. Now as for the facts of cutting things off to make a body fit in a casket and those sorts of things... Now that is not tollerable at ALL!
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 07:11 PM
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Well like Patman said I have been speechless over this.It seems some look at remains as trash.I can not imagine if it were my loved ones in a Waste managment truck headed to the dump.None of our soldiers should have been treated like this.And yes the ones who approved this practice should have to pay a price.

We live in the greatest country in the world,we have the wright to be free.There is a price for this and many have paid thier dues.Now we need to stand up and honor them,show our appreciation and respect.When some one says- we are weak because we are sensitive over little things-(like soldier remains going to the dump)and- we need to Man up-.He also says- The guy isn't going to heaven without that limb anymore- There is another who calls soldier remains as - medical waste-and he has a son in the Navy.Proud Papa I guess.To me these are insults and there many violations on this site that are allowed to continue.I have to back my good friend Jeremy (JAngel) on his feelings.

How can anyone consider NOT getting upset about human remains of our soldiers going to a landfill? And then being told we are- over sensitive- or -we are blowning it out of proportion-.

Wow about says it for me .
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Jethat, First Off I'm a Vet also and completly see your point... If during the course of surgery a foot has to be removed then that body part is not treated the same as the rest of the patient. I have worked in hospitals for years and you are correct. body "parts" are routinely handled this way.... I'm sorry but those are facts and I do not believe every toe, foot, leg, finger or gall bladder needs a plot at Arlignton. Now as for the facts of cutting things off to make a body fit in a casket and those sorts of things... Now that is not tollerable at ALL!
Read the story before you state your "facts". This isnt "medical waste" from a surgery of a soldier who lost his arm in combat for example, these are remains of fallen soldiers, i.e. all we could find was their arm or foot because they got blown up.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by harleydude78
Read the story before you state your "facts". This isnt "medical waste" from a surgery of a soldier who lost his arm in combat for example, these are remains of fallen soldiers, i.e. all we could find was their arm or foot because they got blown up.
The guy said it's not tolerable if they take a limb to fit the body in a casket and dispose of that limb.

If a limb is all we could find left of a soldier, then yes, bury his remains properly.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 08:05 AM
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How did we get from remains of our fallen being disgraced to gallbladder surgery?
 
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dinggus
The guy said it's not tolerable if they take a limb to fit the body in a casket and dispose of that limb.

If a limb is all we could find left of a soldier, then yes, bury his remains properly.
What he said! If all that was recovered were parts then by all means they should be handled as the whole solder should be "with respect and dignintyof the fallen. sometimes news reports leave much to be infered. I am not trying to offend anyone.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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Our military appointed leadership (by Pres. GW Bush) clearly established the "value systems" of what was ethical & unethical in their eyes.........When you have Generals like McCrystal who released gov classified documents regarding our positions, staffing & capabilities (in this case voids) in the middle east to select media/congressional leaders (who did not have clearances or a need to know), just because the newly elected prresident did not agree with his viewpoint, that says it all.......that Gen clearly affirmed to the enemy what they had only suspected.......
This same "value system" is what was established by the leaders at all levels of the military........
During military engagements, there are events that happen (even with our dead) that happen because there is no other viable choice, I don't know of a single military or civilian who doen't not understand & accept this.....but to apply this principle on our US soil...they should all be sent to Levenworth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aiding the enemy
inflicting harm to civilians (psych)


ya know.....if we wait for our executive level government to take action, it won't, becsuase it is not a popular thing to do (kinda like the wall street execs who many , not all, walked away free)

In 1965, the German gov had legislation pending a vote to parden all remaining criminals (who had not been caught) from the nurenburg trials...................it was actually going to pass.....when it was highlighted by the world press, international (2nd, 3rd & 4th world leaders) voiced such outrage that within 24 hours it was removed from the agenda.

Perhaps that is what we need here........action for those whose voices cannot be heard to ensure action against those who have no ethics or values.

my humble opinion.
 

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