Remains of war dead dumped in landfill from 2003-2008

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 01:48 PM
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Emotional is right! I am perturbed that something like this has even happened. Being a veteran I would like to see someone held accountable for this especially since it seems someone took the easy way out. With DNA technology, it would be a simple process to match the remains to a specific person and honor them properly. That's what they did with the unidentified remains here after the tornado. If there isn't a match found I would feel better about the remains being buried at sea with proper honors, not thrown in with everyday trash! Chesty Puller Said it best. "America will not go on forever if we remain as soft as we are now. There won't be any America because some foreign soldiery will invade us, take our women, and breed a hardier race." If we don't stand up and properly honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our way of life and freedom, take the easy way out, we will fail as a country! Enough said!!!
 
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 03:02 PM
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Wow, I didnt realize fallen soldiers bodies being disgraced was such a little thing. thanks for the insight Dinggus
You're crying about limbs not being properly buried, but what about limbs not found in Iraq/Afghanistan after the person was just blown up?

Maybe I don't find this horrifying like everyone else, but then again I tend to shut emotions off because it shows weakness.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 03:11 PM
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You're crying about limbs not being properly buried, but what about limbs not found in Iraq/Afghanistan after the person was just blown up?

Maybe I don't find this horrifying like everyone else, but then again I tend to shut emotions off because it shows weakness.
Shuting emotions off and controlling emotions so they don't disable you are two different things. The person that can have emotions and not let them control his actions is a stronger person than one that refuses to acknoledge emotion, at least in my opinion.

To me, the subject of the thread is more of doing what is right and not taking the easy way out. If we say that it's ok to dump body parts in such a manner, what happens to the concept of "no one left behind" that has so long been a part of our nations fighting spirit. Why would we bother to bring the fallen home? I see acts such as being discussed here a sign that our nation is losing it values and respect for both the dead and the living. Just part of our continual spiral down as a people.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 03:20 PM
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I agree with what you said Bluejay. But from what the article says, it happened between 2003-2008. If it was still happening, then yes something should be done to stop it.

I definitely don't agree with what they did, but the past is the past, done and over with.

Firing people over it going to erase what happened? No. It'll just add to the 9.1% unemployment rate.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 03:24 PM
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I agree with what you said Bluejay. But from what the article says, it happened between 2003-2008. If it was still happening, then yes something should be done to stop it.

I definitely don't agree with what they did, but the past is the past, done and over with.

Firing people over it going to erase what happened? No. It'll just add to the 9.1% unemployment rate.
If you don't punish for past actions, then you have said it's ok to do it again. Either for that person or the next person. I think by firing them, they are saying you should not have been in that position to make such a mistake. That they are not capable of making correct decisions. Ture, there is no way to undo what they did, but you take steps to keep it from recurring.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 05:12 PM
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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I agree with what you said Bluejay. But from what the article says, it happened between 2003-2008. If it was still happening, then yes something should be done to stop it.

I definitely don't agree with what they did, but the past is the past, done and over with.

Firing people over it going to erase what happened? No. It'll just add to the 9.1% unemployment rate.
Ok so if I murdered someone in 2006 and I haven't been caught yet, but I changed my ways, I should be able to get away with it?!?! There's a little thing called JUSTICE! Yes what's done is done. There's is no going back to correct it. But the ones responsible for that decision should be held accountable. If someone does get fired, so what!!! That's what they get for making a bad choice. It's a consequence. These people served with dignity and should be put to rest with dignity. With as much of their remains as possible. There isn't any dignity being thrown into a county dump! To be buried at sea with honors rendered by fellow service men and women is a dignified tradition and that's what should have been done!
Dinggus, weather you think its right or wrong, your comments were severely out of line and very disrespectfull. The annoying thing about it all is that these unidentified remains were essential in securing YOUR freedom to run YOUR mouth recklessly without consequence. It's been said a million times the freedom is not free, there is a price. But what a lot of people never think about is the responsibility that comes with that freedom. To be held accountable when freedoms are taken for granted.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 08:10 AM
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Disposing of body parts and murdering people are two different subjects.

I believe I'm securing my OWN freedom to run my OWN mouth recklessly, probably because I'm in the military and currently deployed.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 09:20 AM
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I believe I'm securing my OWN freedom to run my OWN mouth recklessly, probably because I'm in the military and currently deployed.
Being in the military doesn’t have anything to do with anything or does it give you the right to be reckless. With freedom comes great responsibility, even more so if you’re in the military. We do represent our nation 24/7/365, after all. Its not all about YOU. You are not securing your OWN freedom. Try to think of the big picture instead of just thinking about yourself.

I guess we will agree to disagree Dinggus, you think this is perfectly fine for remains of fallen soldiers to be dumped in landfills with house hold trash and dirty diapers and it happened in the past so who cares. I think the remains of those who gave everything for our country should be given the proper honor and respect and that those who did this should be held accountable.

Good luck to you.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 10:07 AM
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First of all, thanks for your service. Secondly, you of all people should understand the concept of dignity. Throwing remains in the trash is a smack in the face to the ones who served and their families. Unidentified or not. As a member of the Marine Corps League, American Legion, American Legion Riders, and the Patriot Guard I have countless times rendered honors for those who have lost their lives to a so called grateful nation. The citizens may be grateful, but it seems our Government, by their actions, is not.
When our own first lady sits at a 9/11 memorial and watches a Color Guard perform and says " all of this for a damn flag" and her husband nods in approval, something is seriously wrong. This is more than just limbs, its an attitude. Frankly it stinks! By not taking the appropriate measures, simply doing the right thing, and cutting corners has let these service men and women die in vain. And to let it go unpunished is telling Americans the there is a double standard. We will send our troops to fight for that higher standard and yet not hold that standard for ourselves. It's wrong and something needs to be done about it.
Again, thank you for your service and return safely.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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I didn't mean to upset anyone or offend, I was just stating that this was published to create drama, and it has.

Do I agree that it is right, no. Is it still happening, no. Should something be done to supervisors, yes, but not fire them.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 01:18 PM
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I'd make an honest comment again, but I'm sure it'd be deleted by a certain person.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 01:27 PM
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I'd make an honest comment again, but I'm sure it'd be deleted by a certain person.
Only if it contained insults directed at another member or language not acceptable on this site.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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I'd make an honest comment again, but I'm sure it'd be deleted by a certain person.
There is PM.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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Only if it contained insults directed at another member or language not acceptable on this site.
If you actually did your job properly, you'd deleted this thread already there big guy. Its rather clear to see some people have very different opinions about this, and emotions aren't set aside because some people (me) think of my closest of friends who've been killed over here and Afghanistan.
You should really commit to something, either let my words be said, or delete this thread in general. I'm not going to sit back and stay quiet while some jackass says that people like myself are over-reacting. I've unfortunately seen combat, I unfortunately performed first aid in a real life situation. Nothing pisses me off more than devaluing a damn good Soldier, a person who willingly joined to defend this Country.
 
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