Edited picture of one man being ***** deep in the other because the mod's were taking to long and I wanted everyone to stop masturbaiting.

 

It's quiet in here. What are you fella's doing on the other side of those screens?

Rockpick? JackandJanet? BlueJay? Where are you guys?

 

This thread will be shut pretty quick now, I'd guess.

As far as Habibi's thread about the muslim campers, If i recall correctly, he was complaining about the volume of their call to prayer and how it was disturbing his peace and quiet while camping. In all the time I've been on this site, I have never seen him diss muslims about how they worship the same god you christians worship or their religion itself.

As to gays being able to serve openly in the armed forces, every country in the western world, including Israel, Russia, Canada, Britain, France, Italy, et al, allows this and has, for the most part, for many years. None of those countries armed forces are disintegrating and falling apart because of related morale problems or issues.

Dlenkewich, I fully expect this thread to be closed because of the pics you posted (which I see you've now removed) and I won't be surprised if you are banned, at least temporarily, as a result and you will deserve it.

Habs, I'm glad that you've changed your mind, dude. Hope your Christmas was a good one and best for the New Year...

regards

 

awww... "butt-hurt"... I'm seeing a pattern here between you Habibi, and dlenka-whatever...

Seem that there WAS a problem long before DADT... what was the reason for its inaction? seems like we've come full circle, and perhaps the same reasons why it was inacted in the first place. If you can't see why a heterosexual would not want to be forced to live with an OPENLY gay member then there's nothing to say to you, and yes that makes you the closed minded one. You fail to realize human nature, war zone or not.


Yes I'm saying it.. and I'll say it again. You're close minded and can see no other point beyond your own. Just as you accuse everyone else of. You are not the sole arbiter of "what is right in the world", no matter how much you wish you were.

No it's not HS. it's the military, and deserves a much higher moral standard than that of which you could ever understand. DADT kept the overly flamboyant and aggressive "in line", as it was intended. I won't ask... you won't tell. As in KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. I honestly don't care what your sexual preference is until you make it my business. in other words... keep it to your self, act like an adjusted individual and there will be no problems.


Put away the straw man before you burn yourself.




No, if being gay is so natural and right.. then they don't deserve any special treatment, rights or privileges. You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth.

Again to help your reading comprehension skills... it does not "hurt" my morality one bit. It's my morality and that of a great many others that "object" to being told that a homosexual is somehow "special" and deserving of special treatment. You want to be gay, ok.. be gay... don't expect the rest of the world to share in your "specialness". Go surround yourself with those that do.


Got news for you sunshine, I keep myself safe at night. Your government or your vision of government is not shared. you can keep that to yourself as well. I prefer that "my" government stay as out of my life as possible. Yes I'm honored to be an American and one to the core... I don't share your ideology as to what an American should be. In no way or form shall I ever wrap myself in "your" nanny government... I'm self sufficient and don't need you to rock me to sleep at night, thank you very much. Judging by the reaction of the rest of the citizens of this country last November, I'm not alone.

(sorry Mods) WTF are you talking about? They will certainly be breaking the law should a service member be sexually harassed. Considering that there is NO privacy I expect this to happen real soon. I also foresee as Stealth pointed out that there may have to be separation between the hetero and homosexuals... is this what your utopian dream boils down to? Unintended consequences anyone? in your fervor to be everything to anyone, you're hurting those you are supposedly truing to help with your liberal wet dreams.


Morals:
accepted moral standards: standards of conduct that are generally accepted as right or proper
2. how right or wrong something is: the rightness or wrongness of something as judged by accepted moral standards
3. virtuous behavior: conduct that is in accord with accepted moral standards
4. moral lesson: a lesson in moral behavior

That IS the end all and be all of morals. Not you, not me... "accepted moral standards". homosexuality is a perversion of generally accepted morals. Morals accepted by the majority of humans. Your wishcasting is the reason for the severe decline in human morality.

By your own argument.. that there are different standards of morality... mass murder fits in nicely. you just don't agree with it... but what if it's part of my moral code? it's MY morals... homosexuality is part of your morality... not mine.. and if you ask the majority of people it's not part of theirs either.


See this is the problem... it's not HATE... it's the fact that you will try and push this perversion on people that don't share your ideals. That's where you mix up hate with disagreement. either that or you don't have proper command of the English language and just like to mischaracterize everything... I'll go with the mischaracterization... any disagreement.. "HOMOPHOBE"... don't like Obama.. "RACIST"... so on and so on... you like your labels... admit it... it's classic projection.

 

I'm not a liberal. I think Americans deserve equal rights, that doesn't make me a liberal.

Secondly, DADT was enacted because of closed-minded people, such as yourself, who didn't want gay people to have the same right, but aren't stupid enough to turn away good soldiers as long as they kept to themselves. Also, in the past, women couldn't vote and minorities had separate schools. Just because something was a law before doesn't mean there's a good reason for it.

You're the one trying to tell everyone what is right, not me. I'm not the one objecting to someone's preference, you are, because it offends your "morality". That makes you narrow-minded, refusing to accept anything other than what you consider the norm.

Oh, the military is such a higher moral ground than anyone other than you could ever comprehend? Sure thing. It should be held to higher standards, not "I don't like him because he likes blah blah blah" like you are spewing. Grow up, deal with other people in the world, they don't all think the same as you. You'd think the military would have men who are confident enough in their own sexuality not to try to eradicate any other view from the whole military, but I guess that isn't the case. People don't have to keep it to themselves, just like you don't have to keep it to yourself if you see a hot girl at Hooters. Someone else may have a different view, and they shouldn't have to hide who they are just because you or some other close-minded person doesn't like it. Nobody cares if you don't like it or not.

Straw man? A radical extremist killed people, I don't remember the last time someone went on a shooting spree in a military base in the name of gay rights, yet you'd still rather be in a tent with extremists than gay people.

No, they don't deserve any special rights. You don't either. You deserve the same rights. They have the same right to be gay that you have to be straight, even though you don't want to accept that.

I'm not gay. I don't think anyone deserves special treatment. I think Americans deserve the SAME EQUAL treatment. You have a problem with that idea.

I ain't your sunshine, this ain't boot camp, you ain't my D.I., and you trying to talk down to me accomplishes nothing other than get in the way of an actual thought that you may have. My government is the United States, and they DO keep you safe at night. You're not laying awake on an island without a government. You don't have a different government. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel like Billy Badass, but truth of the matter is, if not for my government, you'd be speaking German, if you weren't exterminated for not being part of the master race. So, go on believing that you fight the whole world by yourself, keep believing that the rest of the world doesn't mess with you because you're such a bad dude, keep telling yourself that nothing to do with the United States has protected you. Sure.

You are correct, they would be breaking the law if the harassed someone, and if you had taken the time to read and could comprehend my post, I never said that they wouldn't be breaking the law if they harassed you, what I said was if they like other guys, that isn't harassing you. There is no law allowing them to harass you. There are laws against you harassing them because they are gay, though, and there should be, because once again, and maybe you'll one day understand, you are not the only person in the world, and not everyone shares your views, and the ones who don't are entitled to their own views.

I don't think that giving equal rights is hurting the whole world. Oppressing people because of their preference of whatever is not a good way to save the whole world. Keep trying.

Morals are standards that are generally accepted as right or proper. Guess what, in gay communities, being gay is accepted as being right or proper, so they have A DIFFERENT SET OF MORALS. To your group, you have a set, to their group, they have their own set, whatever is generally accepted. Are you incapable of grasping that concept? It doesn't say only your group gets to decide for everyone.

I don't think the majority of the people give a crap if people are open in the military or not. Why don't you poll the majority of the people and find out. Until you do, your claim is baseless, and since some Americans are gay, they deserve the same rights as other Americans who aren't gay.

You don't have any more right to push your projection of what is right upon gay people any more than they have a right to push theirs on you. I don't see them refusing to serve or objecting because straight people are there. I don't foresee them trying to get you to be gay, therefore they won't be pushing their ideals on you, they are simply having their own. I know it hurts, but some people have different views, and you may not like them, but since they are humans and Americans, you can like it or lump it. I know you object, and you hate the person that is gay because you object, that's obvious by your fear of serving with gay people. Disagreement is one thing, but straight refusing to be around them because you disagree is hate.

 

Now you're just making things up. You fail to see the point that heteros don't want to be put in the position of having to "deal" with homosexual activity. In the close quarters of the military, these issues are magnified. You are forced to share facilities where reasonable assurances of decorum are expected. Just as a hetero male in a room full of hetero females would cause a problem, a room full of hetero males with a few OPENLY GAY (why are you missing this?) will cause the same problems.

If you desire equal rights for everyone... you're also subjected to equal negativity. Therein no more biased lawsuits. A gay man propositions a straight male and a fight ensues? Kiss your hate crime legislation good bye. They are all equal now, right? So a fight with a gay man is no longer a hate crime? You can't have it both ways. Sexual harassment suits? Who's the "protected class" now that they are all equal?

So DADT was created because of narrow minded people like me? You think you know me? You think I have anything against gays? See you want your little homophobic blanket to cover everything. See, I'm not homophobic, but according to you since I don't live in the middle of SOHO, I am one. Since I don't travel in those circles I fit in to your wide ranging and by default, narrow minded ideal that I'm a homophobe. I couldn't care less what one man does with another, but pushing that ideal on me as something I need to accept based on the "gay mans" morals or that of your own, thereby displacing my own morals, we have a problem. That's not American. You want to live the gay lifestyle... there are plenty of places to do so and be amongst your ilk. Don't bring it to my front door, and don't chastise me because I don't accept your perversion as "normal". it's not MY pursuit of happiness... it's yours... take it elsewhere. It NOT hate, it's my desire to not take part in that lifestyle you hold so close to your heart. For the same reason why I'm not out killing people or any other type of human perversion, your so called morality accepts.

Yet, you can't think beyond your kitschy little labels of homophobe, racist, hatemonger... because you can't understand nuanced thought, or the fact that people just don't care enough to warmly embrace a perverted lifestyle.

there is no place for "openly gay" in a professional environment, let alone a cohesive unit in the military. The fact that someone doesn't want to share a bunk, shower, bathroom... or any other private facility with an openly gay man, doesn't make anyone afraid of losing their morals or hating the individual... They don't want that specific interaction with an openly gay man. Period.

 

So what you are saying is that if some one doesn't want to see the kind of junk our little Canadian buddy posted, then that's hate?

 

Yup, Billy Badass... that's me. You know nothing of my or my families service and sacrifice of and for/to this great country, nor do I feel obliged to explain it to you. Nor do you know my families lineage. But I assure you, you are seriously talking out your posterior.

Save your hypothetical BS for someone dumb enough to fall for it. I do not share "your" governmental ideals nor your characterization of it. True we are under the same, but it doesn't represent my ideals at this present time. Deal with it.

 

In all fairness, I don't want to see it either.
I mean just because I support equal rights doesn't mean I want a front row seat to the show.
To be honest, I don't want to see anyone doing their 'business' regardless of what their orientation is.

I think Dlenk meant well but I also think he had one too many beers tonight and went a bit crazy; hopefully tomorrow he will straighten out after he realizes some of those pics he posted were not the best decisions hes ever made.

There's a lot of anger in this thread boys, maybe both sides could do with toning it down a notch and not make everything so frikkin personal.

Just because I think some of you are bigots doesn't mean I hate ya's, sheesh.

 

i'm in support of a dlenk vacation... especially after posting those photos. What does that achieve? What people do in their bedroom is to remain there, we don't need to see it all over this forum or anywhere else.

 

Habbs, I enjoy these conversations as much as the next guy, but this time I think you're dead wrong. He knew exactaly what he was doing and it was about as crass and tastless as anyone could be, there is no reason to defend him. If that is the kind of material he enjoys, then he should keep it to himself. That has been a point that many in this thread have been trying to get across A.K.A. don't ask don't tell. Now let's suppose that the mods don't/won't do anything about this kind of behavior, how will that "new freedom" enhance this site? It won't. That is how many feel about the openly gay in the military, that it will not enhance the military in any way. In fact (I'll use the collective) we feel that it will have many negative impacts for our military. We have heard many of the theoretical "what if's" but the truth is nobody knows for sure how this will play out or the over all affect to our armed services. The logic behind trying this experiment at this time is very baffeling and only underlines how our government leaders are disconnected from the American people.

The truth be told delenk had nothing more to add to the conversation and decided to take the in your face approach.

And I don't hate you........you're just wrong, but that's ok!

 

Time to bow out of this one, its getting a little out of hand. But i did learn some things.
I am narrow minded because i do not agree with you
I am wrong in my beliefs that two ****s touching is wrong, because you said so
You know my situation and how i should act accordingly better than i do
Im a homophobe because i dont agree with homosexuality
A gay guy is the same as a black guy
Its not going to lower morale or create an uneasy work atmosphere because you said so
and have been in said work enviroment before
I am wrong because i dont want to share showers with homo's just as woman dont share showers with men
There will not be any special considerations that will have to be made for them because of the lifestyle the were apparently born into and didnt have a choice in.
If i get bunked with a gay roomate in the barracks i just have to deal with the fact he is going to have his boyfriends over.
Its sexual harrassment for me to be against gays but its not sexual harrassemtn for them to create an unwanted hostility in the work enviroment
It will not create unrest among the ranks with those who do not support gays and we will function perfectly as a team.
2 *****'s touching is perfectly acceptable in every aspect
Cases of Hazing and sexual harrassment will go down due to the ability to flaunt their faggotry
I could go on but these are just some of the things ive learned.

Deuces

 

This statement alone makes it abundantly clear that you 1) don’t know what you’re talking about and 2) don’t know which side of the fence you stand on. Wasn’t it you that said earlier in this thread that just because a person is gay doesn’t mean they want to have sex with you? So how can it be that unless a gay person is having gay sex, they’re not living the gay lifestyle?? Surely there’s more to being gay than just gay sex. I’m sure the homosexuals you think you are standing up for appreciate your narrow views of their lifestyle and behaviors. You’ve just proved yourself to be as ignorant, if not more ignorant, than the so called “homophobes” in this thread.

So, using your logic in another example… It’s okay to share a bunk and a public shower and a daily work environment with a priest that touches little boys, because, hey, even though it may be against MY morals, I’M not the one doing it, so it’s all good.

If only the enemies of our nation would realize this so quickly.

Exactly. People think they’re supporting gays by supporting the repeal. Pandora’s Box. DADT is there to protect the gays and give them the opportunity to serve.

Hetero couples can’t openly display their affection for one another, either, so what’s the purpose of the repeal?

You guys keep bringing race into this like it’s a comparable variable, so that you can equate our intolerance of the gay lifestyle to being a racist. Barring any Michael Jacksons in the crowd, you can not choose to be black/white/green/etc. On the topic of being gay, you are no more likely to be born gay than you are to be born to favor Ford over Chevy. It’s a matter of preference. Anecdotal as it may be, I’ve yet to meet a gay person that wasn’t straight before. The best example I have of that a friend’s dad that, after 20+ years of marriage and bringing up 3 kids, left his wife for a man. And how many times have we heard about preachers and politicians who are married and have gay relationships. It’s a choice. There’s no other way around it. To suggest that being gay is something you’re born with is to suggest that there is a biological anomaly that causes people to be gay. If that’s the case, we should get started with medical research so that we can “fix” these people. (/sarcasm) There’s a reason people call it a lifestyle choice, after all, what other medical abnormality is celebrated with parades and tv shows, etc.?

Being as how the gay crowd represents but such a small percentage of our population, and an even smaller percentage of our military population, I find it shameful for you all to be pushing your views on us.

Sooooo…. You’re saying they WON’T be dancing around in pink tutus?? Well damn. There it is. That changes my mind on the whole thing now. /sarcasm
If they’re not going to change their behavior, what’s the point of the repeal? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Obviously there is some form of change that’s expected to come of this, though no one can seem to define exactly what that change will be. Kinda reminds me of all the poor saps that voted for “Hope” and “Change” in 2008. We see how well that’s gone.

 

Well, I'm out of this thread, there's too much stupidity and closed-mindedness for me.
You can't say "Those guys are being oppressed" without everyone jumping on the "My sacrafice and lineage gives me the right to oppress whoever and impose my views on whoever" and "It's not ok!" Nobody said it was right or wrong, all that was said was that adults have the right to think for themselves, whether you agree or not.
S-76, I would hope that your lineage, if it is a military one, had more sense to know that they were fighting for freedom. Not just for you and your ideas, but for America, freedom for everyone who lives here, including gay people. If not, then I'm not sure why they were fighting. Also, what is the gay lifestyle in a combat zone? You think you're going to have to watch them doing it in a tent in a war zone? They can like who they want, you have the right to like who you want. Other than a preference of what they would do in a different situation, there's no difference between their war-zone military lifestyle than yours, but I guess that means that I don't know what I'm talking about, because obviously repealing DADT means that they are free to have sex on your bunk.

black bullitt, a priest touching little boys is wrong. it is illegal, it is not consensual, but that doesn't fit your argument, so I guess that you don't want to acknowledge that there's a difference between an authority figure taking advantage of a child and two adults consensually doing what they want.

rustyninja, if that's all you got out of the conversation, then you obviously either can't read or can't comprehend, either way, I'm done in here, you're set in your ways, and you refuse to look at anyone else's point of view because they must not have rights. What exactly you are defending, I don't know, but it isn't freedom for America.
Bye all, have fun fighting amongst yourselves, you can sit in here and be morally right and protect yourselves from the evil gay men! Meanwhile, just remember, gays can openly serve, and there's really not anything you can do about it, thank God our government isn't as closed-minded as you and it actually wants to protect and equalize all Americans!

 

Only conservatives views get banned around here.