If the gay man is not having sex, then he isn't "living the lifestyle", regardless of what he would prefer.
If you have a problem being bunked with someone who wants to have sex with someone of their own sex and it's only because of your "morality", then yeah, you're homophobic. I don't know how that revelation escapes you.
There are other things that are choice, would it hurt someone's morality to be in a current war zone bunked with Muslims? Are they allowed in the military? It's their choice to be Muslim, after all.
And you don't want them flaunting their perverted sexuality next to you because it may hurt your morality? Tough. The government says that they can. It's a job. You may work with someone who does not agree with you about everything. Yeah, you think it's not right that people have to serve with gay people because it's a different situation from any other job. Get over it. Your morality shouldn't be hurt in the least if you aren't doing anything against your morals. If they do something against your morals, then that's on them, you live by your morals, they can live by theirs. And, sometimes, since you're not the only person in the world (which a lot of people have trouble remembering sometimes), you're going to see someone else who goes by a different set of morals.
At this point it's just belly-aching anyway, the law has been repealed, gays ARE allowed to openly serve, it really doesn't matter how much anybody has a moral problem with it.

 

Pickupman, I'm glad to see someone else is willing to stand up for our fellow man, but unfortunately it's a waste of time fighting with these guys - They won't budge on their ignorant and out-dated views and stereotypes.

The only reason this thread wasn't locked 3 weeks(sarcasm) ago is because Blue-Jay(Perhaps maybe the other MOD's aswell given the lack of action??) want's this (primarily) gay bashing thread to continue for everyone to see. Normal rules don't apply here.

Interesting that they preach this to be a "Family site". You've got a small group of people fighting with no resolution within site, normal standards would have had this thread closed by page 3.

 

Having sex or not... he / she is still gay, fo when the time comes.. guess who they are going to be with?

What doesn't escape me is you're instance that "homophobes" are just about anyone that doesn't walk lock step with your narrow minded views.

What I don't want to be bunked with is someone who will now be OPENLY able to display his perversion. Since now this indivdual can be as obnoxious as possible, leaving those with no interest in his perversions, any options in sexual harassment issues. Heterosexual males will be reversly discriminated against, since in this climate any oposition to the "lifestyle" would be twisted in to bias crimes agains said homosexual. With DADT, this was less of an issue, since same sex harassment would be persecuted under DADT.


this is irrelevent... but since you brought it up, Army Major Nidal Hasan ring a bell? Bzzzzt Try agin.

Not because it will "hurt" my morality... because I OBJECT based on my morality. TOUGH!


Wow really? So the government is now the end all and be all of moral turpetude? You have to be kidding. Ahh but I do see you're a Nanny Stater so I guess you're not. Yeeesss wrap yourself in that government issue blanket of "if it feels good it's right".


Yes it is.. leave your handbag in the barracks.

it has nothing to do with agreement. those that do not want to SERVE in the millitary with an OPENLY (as in FLAUNTING) gay service member, it's thier choice and RIGHT to OPENLY OBJECT to it based on WHATEVER reason they have. the door swings both ways, as pointed out to you already. You're cure all of screeching "homophobe!!" at the top of your lungs doesn't change it one bit. So you, "get over it".


It's not a different set of morals... it's a perversion of morals. No ammount of wishcasting on your or anyone elses part can change that either. By your definition of "morals", mass murder is just fine... there's nothing wrong.. it's just a different set of morals... who are you to judge? Right? You can make that square peg fit in that round hole if you hit it hard enough, but it doesn't mean that it ever belonged there in the first place, or by any streatch of morality that you wishcast will ever change that fact either.

It also doesn't mean the issue will magically disapear and your utiopian vision is one step closer to fruition.

 

I see the dadt repeal ending up as an avenue for workplace and sexual harassment suits for straights against homosexuals.

For example, you don't see straight men bunking with straight women, for obvious reasons.

Now, homosexual men will be bunking with straight men and homosexual women bunking with straight women. This creates a hostile work environment and introduces the possibility sexual harassment into daily operations for straights each time one showers as well as goes to the restroom with homosexuals present.

This whole thing could be a bigger issue than everyone thinks.

Could this eventually create a scenario where the military is forced to keep homosexual men and women are separated from the straights according their sexuality? Think about it.

 

Blue,

This question isn't only for you but for whoever else shares your views...
What would you do if your son or daughter came home and announced to you and your wife that he or she is gay?

Would you have an intervention? Send them off to a camp to have the 'brainwashing' reversed? Try to "beat the gay" out of them?

What would you guys do?

So many people in this thread are in fact bigoted homophobes it's not even funny.

The comments in this thread are rather insulting, calling people '*******" "Queers", "Deviants" etc....this is ok?

Last I checked being gay wasn't a crime but discriminating against people who are is. You don't like the laws? Tough nuggies, I'm sure your great great grandparents didn't like it either when blacks and whites were able to go to the same school and drink from the same water fountain.

If we had internet logs from back then, the same stupid-*** arguments would be seen from back then, only the names would be different.

It wasn't all that long ago I tried to spell **** by circumventing the language filter, and I spelled it chit, and immediately I was given a friendly 'warning' by one of the mods (via a private pm) to respect the rules etc etc, but this thread is full of people using derogatory remarks to reference gay people, and this is ok? I'm not gay but I do have gay friends and personally I find condoning this behaviour just as insulting as if someone were calling a black man the "N" word.

Seriously? Nice double standard.

I suppose if one of your kids came home and announced his gayness to you, some of you would probably disown them and kick them to the curb.

Being gay is no more a choice to a gay person as it is a choice that you were born with the colour of your skin.

Being a bigot is a choice that many of you made and that can be changed but first you have to open your mind, your eyes and your heart and stop being so ignorant and closed minded.

Some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves trying to push your own perception of 'morality' on everyone else, I've never in all my life seen a bigger collection of hateful and closed-minded bigots in all my life than on this site, a real testament to how hateful some of you people are.

The gays have been in the military all this time, they will continue to be there, what do you think is going to happen? All of a sudden they will start prancing around in a pink tutu singing "I'm gay I'm gay"

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves and how closed-minded you've allowed yourself to become.

 

Interesting to think about that one. It would be as if the the gay man would be the man, and the man would be the girl.

Habs - Well said, interesting points, but I'm afraid it's a waste of mega-bytes.

 

LMAO, I've been here long enough to know you're not one who should be pontificating on anything. You're one of the biggest board spammers of hate and bigotry this place has ever seen, least we not forget your little diatribe on "Dirty Mohammed". Please, give yourself a rest, it's hard to stand with no legs.

 

I could have called that, should have put it down in typing.

Hab's, you once made a thread about neiboring Muslim campers. We all know you did that to vent in a place where you knew your issues with these Muslims would be well recieved.

Now, obviously it was perhaps in bad taste but because you did that, once, your points in this topic aren't valid - not worth answering.

Did they mention you were Canadian!? You don't know what it's like to be an American in these Gay times!! Oops, I mean HARD times! AH! I mean difficult times. Difficult!

 

Habibi, that's one of the most intelligent and great posts that I have seen on this board since I got here a long time ago.

 

 

Logical insight? Let's see, complaining about this supposedly being a family site, and posting this BS? Complaining about a level of decorum that you yourself don't subscribe to? Yeah.. we should all step aside and acquiesce to your overly brilliant "insight"...indeed. Get over yourself. Complaining that the thread should have been closed pages ago, because you don’t agree with the content? Perhaps you should not only step aside, but find another site that pertains to your juvenile attraction to *** play. While you’re getting over yourself, perhaps you can grow up and work on developing an intellect as well.

 

How is who they are going to be with when "the time comes" any of your or anyone else' business? How does that hurt you if they were beside you in a tent in a war zone before the "time came?" It doesn't, you're just butt-hurt that someone who has a different view than you do has a right to be there the same as you do.


You are seriously saying that I am the narrow-minded one here? LOL, you should read up on the definition.
It really doesn't matter what you want to be bunked with, you are there to do a job with people chosen to do their job in the same location. It's not your high-school locker room. I am sure that with your closed-minded views, they don't exactly want to be there with you or any other homophobes, either. And no, I don't buy for a second that harassment will be tolerated, DADT didn't protect you from being harassed, either, it allowed prosecution against people for the way they felt, not what they did to anyone else. This is not a law that allows gay men to touch you or anything of the sort.



And you'd be more comfortable in the tent with Muslims than a gay guy? He actually shot people, and what did the gay man there do? Yet it's still ok to be there with radical extremists, as long as they're not going to want to get freaky with their wingman when the war is over?



Object away, you can't do anything about it. Object to whoever you want, but remember, some Americans are gay people, and if you are in the military and you object, then you may be sued for harassment. I know that you don't like to think that gay people deserve any protection or any rights because it somehow hurts your "morality", but you're going to have to get used to the idea that you're not the only person in the world and not everyone agrees with your closed mind. Tough!


Nanny starter? I gave my oath, and I have given my duty and I have given plenty of time to my country and to the US Government. Bottom line is, that's the law, you're going to have to deal with it. I bet that when it comes down to it, you're glad that you're an American, or you wouldn't be here, so keep wrapping yourself in my government, too, it keeps you safe at night (sometimes using gay men to do so).


You don't have a right to be "protected" from people who you don't agree with. This is the United States, the door doesn't swing the way of oppressing people because you don't agree with them. They are not breaking the law, so you have no recourse. Just because you don't like the idea of being there with them doesn't matter. Just because you openly object doesn't matter. Object until you are blue in the face, gay people are now allowed to be openly gay and serve in the military. That is definitely something that you need to get over, or you're going to die pissed about it.



Being gay is nothing to do with mass murder and you know it...You're grasping at straws.
Tell me exactly, what is the 100% exact and correct set of morals? Yours? Who decides who is morally right and wrong? IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF MORALS. Yours are not the end-all be-all correct set of morals. There is no set of morals that we were handed out to live by. If you don't agree with gay men, so be it, but they don't agree with you, and in America, you're going to coexist, at least in the military, whether you like what they do or not.


The issue is not going to disappear as long as there is hate for people who are different. Racism, sexism and prejudice against religion hasn't disappeared, I wouldn't expect homophobia to just go away, either.

 

You're a late comer. Perhaps you should read the whole thread before jumping in and making all your accuzations.

Is it your opinion that this was a G rated thread only before I brought up **** play in sex? Boy oh boy, your views are skewed.

 

Did you know it's Gay to look at Gay ****?

YOUR GAY NOW!

 

What? I liked that post. I am not sure if I have ever agreed whole-heartedly with Habibi before. That's a first, I wanted to point it out.