I am new to this forum and have been checking in time to time to learn more information about the brand of vehicles we all love. I have so far completed a decade of service to the navy and am looking to do more. My current command has a fellow that everyone pretty much knows is gay. You can hear it in his speech, you can see it in his mannerisms. Plus he gets along with the female crowd quite well. His occupation? Corpman. Now do you think any guy feels comfortable going to him with any kind of problem? If a guy feels like he is starting to have man problems for example ED he has to start the process of getting an appointment with medical at his current command. How would this man feel going to this medical department knowing that the one guy corpman is fruity? Id be embarrassed and just plain wouldnt want to go. So the result is more unhappy morale within this man and between him and his wife which leads to a relationship that is strained. Its bad enough that the other two are female who cant relate to the male body. Another scenario we are at war and come under a CBR attack. Anyone that goes outside the skin of the ship to investigate if any agents still exist have to go through a decontamination station which involves the undressing to your birthday suit and having others in biological suits scrub you down. Now if this aint embarrassing and uncomfortable enough, medical has to declare you safe before you can enter into the inner part of the ship. So your telling me that this dude now has the right to make a comment as he is checking me over for my health and its ok? I wouldnt much care for a straight guy to do it but at least i know that he would do and move on. How about when the time comes to give the urine samples that every command does to test for drugs? Did you civilians know that the observer has to observe the whole process? Thats after the invention of the fake male organ that passes somebody elses **** so that the donater doesnt get kicked out for drug usage. So now i have to deal with the fact of not only having to have some guy watch me **** in a bottle and have stage fright but to have to deal with the guy being gay and taking notes on who to hit up next? Its like window shopping and and Congress gave him a gift card. I have no sympathy for gays and their rights. We talk about them like they are their own race of human. They arent. Its a sexual preference. A preference. No different than liking chevy over ford or vice versa. They are not created that way. They chose this lifestyle. Last I checked the Holy Bible says that God created Adam and Eve. Not adam and steve. So to say that God created them is ridiculous. Thats like saying that bob down the street enjoys looking out of his window everytime the school bus pulls up the bus stop and he was created that way as if it were perfectly normal. Its not normal. This society as a whole in the world has gone downhill so bad that no one knows what is right and wrong anymore. The reason why things werent accepted back in the old times is because this country was founded on God and Godly principles. If you check it out, the Bible says that a man should not lay with another man and a woman should not lay with another woman. Why was soddom and gommorrah destroyed? Because God could not tolerate it the carnality of the place. Why? because it was wrong. But the world these days does not want to embrass principles anymore because it interferes with the carnality that the world loves to embrase. So we just turn a blind eye. That was what DADT did. We dont want to step on anybody's toes to tell you that what you are doing is wrong so we will just let you do what you want but dont tell anyone. Its a giant rug. So we all have the great change is good fellow Oblahblah creating more havoc than good. I dont know much about politics except for the fact that its skewed horribly. Its funny how everytime the dem get into office things get worse and worse. Why is it that the pay raises that we military get every year have been getting smaller and smaller since he was elected? Does he think that we get paid too much and needs to curb the funding to our wallets? I can tell you right now i dont get paid nearly enough to do what i do. I can say that my fellow soldiers who spend life in the desert and in tents where at least i have AC and a shower definetely deserve the pay raise. So why does some idiot who has never served think he knows? I believe that it should be a requirement to be president to have served in the military. How can you be CIC if you have never gone through life in the military? I would never walk into the door of a nuclear power plant and say im going to run this thing and everyone else step aside. Its ridiculous and anyone else thats trying to throw their two cents around that has never served is pointless too. The military is not and never has been a typical work organization.
The point is that gays should not be allowed. Whats next? Perverts who love little boys? Whats next after that? What is the breaking point of this country? You wonder why countries like China and Korea are so strong in thier military? They have a thing of honor and dignity and if one bad apple goes against it, its plucked from the tree. I dont approve of DADT but its better than knowing outright. At least before they had consequences if they were open about it. Now all obama did was give them free rein to do whatever they want. Why dont we do away with the death penalty and putting people in jail? Thats not fair either. It takes away their personal freedom. After all it was the guns fault right? Just another way to cover up the real truth of right and wrong so we dont step on somebodies toes. I say march all over them. Its wrong plain and simple. Should not be allowed at all. I can say that if one come onto me i will not hesitate to correct it.
May God bless this country cause its going down a greased hill quicker every year. To all my fellow servicemen stay safe and come home soon. To those who have never served and are trying to say something do us a favor. Dont. It means nothing. I wouldnt talk about doing brain surgery and why the doctor didnt put this stitch here instead of there or he should have done it quicker cause i was tired of sitting in the waiting room. Im not a brain surgeon. You have no idea of what its like to be in the middle of the ocean on a ship that 500 ft long with 300 some people and then add in some **** and time of 6-7 months at sea. Yeah thats a recipe for success and good cohesion. Whats next?

 

Oh and where was this poll? i never saw one. We never had one. So with that being said how accurate are those results???

 

Just because YOU weren't polled it doesnt mean the poll isnt accurate.

The majority is not with you: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...o_no_harm.html

Further, if you dont like it, GTFO.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12...l-should-leav/
No one said you have to be in the military. And even if the US did institute a draft, you'd still have to GTFOver yourself.

edit: You're in the Navy...isn't everyone there already gay?
/kidding

 

And i do believe the most recent Poll which was in "Stars and Stripes", our newspaper for men and women in uniform. Stated the number of people in uniform against the repeal was higher than that of people who thinks they should be allowed.

 

70% dont see a problem with having gays in the military
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...o_no_harm.html

 

After listening to the "zero post" wonder, I'm more inclined to agree whole heartedly with you.

What the hell are they afraid of? Twisted values, closed minds.

 

Let me introduce you to the concept of polling... you take a representative sample out of the entire population you are studying. The size and diversity of the population determines the accuracy of the poll. A census is where you ask everybody. In most cases taking a census is much too time consuming as the population is far too large. So we take a poll, just like in presidential elections they take polls all the time to find out how the race is going. Presidential polls are kind of a bad example as they are typically much more volatile than other polls for a variety of reasons (politics changing every day among other reasons).

But statistically polls can be very accurate, but they can also be very inaccurate. It all depends on quality of your sample size. This is why there is such a great disparity between the poll you take among your buddies in the military and the one taken by professionals. You can go around your unit and ask all your buddies if they support this policy and after asking 100 people determine that 75% do not support it. But there is bias, your unit is not as diverse, or not as proportionally diverse as the entire military. Additionally, there will be bias as they may be friends of yours and don't want to offend you, plus your friends typically share similar morals, etc. So your sample is biased and your poll really has no validity whatsoever.

A professional polling company such as Zogby, or those that consulted the military, know to take a proportional, diverse, and a large enough sample to ensure accuracy. Once this is done you can get down to an accuracy of +/- 1% however in polls similar to this 3% it usually considered a good accuracy.

In this case +/-3% points wouldn't even be close to changing the results of the poll.

 

Your really going to judge the validity someones opinion based on the amount of posts they have in a forum. Classy

 

Merely using it as an identifier. It's just a number, what can you tell from a number? Apparently twisted values and closed minds struck closer to home than anticipated.

Happy New Year Ninja!

 

Let me understand.....so this "zero post" member who is an active duty service member with 10 years of service is close minded with twisted values? So this service member's opinion doesn't matter? BTW, what branch of service you in and how many years?

 

Unfortunately that poll is biased as well. In my 8+ years in the service I only saw a couple "stars and stripes". Not everybody gets, or reads stars and stripes. The bias here is the poll is biased toward those who do read stars and stripes. How do these military members compare to those that do not read stars and stripes?

I took my math classes in college (including statistics) from a professor who had his doctorate in statistics. He studied under and then was a staff member under one of, if not the greatest statistics mind of our time. We spent quite a bit of time studying bias in polls and what it means. It was his opinion, and that of several of his colleagues, that with out at least one dr. of statistics on your team of statisticians, it would be impossible to actually interpret the results of your poll. Unless of course you took an actual census.

The Pentagon polled over 400,000 people when the conducted their poll. The sample size alone suggests greater accuracy.

 

Never once have I said his, or even your, opinion didn't matter. I'll debate anyone to a certain point. Once I realize they are not open to reasonable debate I agree to disagree. Gay or otherwise, a person should have a right to support their country in the manner they choose. You and a few others are denying that right by lumping all people of a certain group into a characterization that is most unflattering to many. I'm a Vietnam veteran that spent his time in the service on the ground attached to an infantry unit. Although it was not 10 years of service it was enough to make me proud of my accomplishments and those of my peers both past and present.

I've asked before and been ignored or missed, but what about you sir?

 

SY, Just a reminder of what you've been missing.

 

What's there to reply about? Being an ugly American? If you see it that way.....sure, why not. Fact is I'm an American and I find it funny those who are not impose their views on how Americans should think, act and/or believe.

 

I say we stone all gays and for that fact anyone that doesn't believe the way you see it. They could make you feel uncomfortable.

Using the ED argument or the decontamination argument, I am sure you would be uncomfortable if an African American guy checked you out since there is a stereotype that they have larger male members too. You may feel insignificant or something!


The reality is the arguments made here against DADT are the same recycled arguments against racially integrating the armed forces decades ago.