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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 09:19 PM
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Wittom,

It appears that the logic for you and a few others here is, if someone wants to debate the merits of a claim and refuses to get in line with your thought process, they are deserving of ridicule.

 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wittom
Actually, to be accurate here, the word is "terrorist", not "terrorism". What is the MW definition for "terrorist"?
A terrorist would be one who uses terrorism.

Originally Posted by wittom
In order for me to accept your claim, I would have to believe that the US military and Al Qaeda operate in the same capacity. I would also have to have access to a survey comparable to the one conducted by World Public Opinion. I believe that the US military is, under our constitution, to provide for the common defense of the American people. I don't believe that Al Qaeda has any athority under any sovereign nations contitution and thus doesn't provide for the common defense of anyone, rather they go on the offensive in the name of a religion. Though there may be some paralells, I don't believe that the American people supporting military action is the same as Muslims supporting terrorist acts committed by a radical terrorist group. So, no, I can't do that.
Terror is using fear/terror to coerce. That is what the US govt does in bombing other countries to submission. It instills fear in the govt and people of its targets.
If you don't accept your own definitions, don't play the game.

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The reasoning is not the same in both claims. Your claim that a majority of Americans are terrorists is based on what data? Do you believe that asking Americans questions about the decision to use military force in Iraq, how the war is going and whether or not the US should keep troops in Iraq are the same as asking people in predominantly muslim nations questions like: perceptions of US foreign policy goals related to the Islamic world, attacks on American and European civilians and views on Islamization and western cultural influences?
The survey you cited asked whether people support attacks on civilian targets in defense of their culture. Americans also support attacks on civilian targets in defense of their culture. Same difference.

Originally Posted by wittom
At no time in this thread have I defended Becks claim as "fact". I merely stated that there is a lot of statisitical data in the World Public Opinion report and I can see that depending how it is analysed, as well as using the definition of terrorist given, that 10% could be a conclusion. I don't know how Beck came up with that number, and I don't think that you or Fareed Zakaria know either, yet you say that Beck is wrong, because there were only 11,000 terrorist attacks. That's your logic? That's a sound argument?
I say that in order to accept Beck's claim that there are 157 million people that want to kill you, you also must accept that the majority of Americans are terrorists (by definitions provided by Beck and support shown for attacks against civilian targets).
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by serotta
Wittom,

It appears that the logic for you and a few others here is, if someone wants to debate the merits of a claim and refuses to get in line with your thought process, they are deserving of ridicule.

I really don't think you should be the one to point a finger, serotta. Pot...
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 05:04 PM
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Anyone who supports terrorists/terrorism is just as bad as the person that actually commits terrorism. I remember on 9/11 the citizens of middle eastern countries wagging their tongues and literally dancing in the streets after seeing the destruction and murder in NYC and Washington D.C.

You obviously have never been to a middle eastern country and seen/felt the hatred in the eyes of those who hate you just because of where you were born or are from.

Nice try Shosty.
Pretty much. And those same peace loving hippie liberals are saying that these people are innocent and they feel so sorry we invaded their country.

I always just say to these people, Do you remember the news on 9/11?? Do you remember the millions of middle eastern people celebrating the "death of America"

Yea screw each and every one of those people over there. Ive had a few friends of mine I served with that were killed over there by roadside bombs. And do you know you plants most of these bombs? Regular civilians that the taliban recruits to do it, they pay them a few bucks and they are more than happy to kill Americans.


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You mean like you're doing now with people in the Middle-East?



Be careful with that one. Our own government and defense industries have aided governments, factions, freedom fighters, and individuals that would fall under those categories. And if you want to really take that literally . . . did you put gas in your truck? Do you have a bank account? Congratulations, you're "just as bad as the person that actually commits terrorism."

Should we send you to Gitmo now or later?
Its obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about because its not "Gitmo" its GTMO.

There is still alot of oil that comes from America itself or from the gulf and other areas that we have wells. Sure a fair share comes from the middle east, but for you to say that me fueling my truck is just as bad as the crimes that were committed upon my brothers and fellow Americans is completely insulting.

And the bank account statement is even more retarded than the gas statement. How is me banking with Navy federal Credit Union. Or banking with Chase bank or the bank of America supporting terrorism.

Get your crap straight
 

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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 05:09 PM
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Hey Shosty and your followers...I think France is looking for a few new citizens. You'd fit in well over there.


Thanks for voting for Obama by the way, Hows it going for you?! Are you voting with him on giving illegals an easy way to citizenship too?
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
I really don't think you should be the one to point a finger, serotta. Pot...
He does look a lot like Pol Pot, the resemblance is uncanny, and I bet they have the same pecker size.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Shosty
I say that in order to accept Beck's claim that there are 157 million people that want to kill you, you also must accept that the majority of Americans are terrorists (by definitions provided by Beck and support shown for attacks against civilian targets).
Really, you can say what ever you want. What definition did Beck provide? Can you show us where the information is showing that a majority of Americans support attacks against civillian targets?

Originally Posted by Shosty
The survey you cited asked whether people support attacks on civilian targets in defense of their culture. Americans also support attacks on civilian targets in defense of their culture. Same difference.
The World Public Opinion survey that I posted a link to asks many questions. It's not simply a question of if they support terrorist attacks. Can you show us where the information is showing that Americans also support attacks on civilian targets in defense of their culture?

Originally Posted by Shosty
Terror is using fear/terror to coerce. That is what the US govt does in bombing other countries to submission. It instills fear in the govt and people of its targets.
If you don't accept your own definitions, don't play the game.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a game. What definition that is "my own" am I not accepting?

I understand what terror is. It can actually be defined several different ways, as you already know.

Can you please at least answer this one question? Do you believe that the US millitary at the direction of the US government operates in the same capacity as Al Qaeda. If you do, it explains a lot.


Originally Posted by Shosty
A terrorist would be one who uses terrorism.
Very clever, however in the context of the piece that you posted opening this thread, the term "terrorist" is a big factor in this discussion. Merriam-Webster is a reliable source. Why not post their definition for "terroists" for all of us to ponder?


Originally Posted by Shosty
157,000,000 people want to kill you! Or not really, but 11,000 events doesn't really sell that well, so why not just lie about things?
If someones claim is a lie can't it be disproven? The theory that because there were only 11,000 terrorist attacks world wide in 2009, there can't possibley be 157,000,000 muslim terrorists has no more credibility than Becks 10% claim, in fact is has less. So who is lying here. Is it true that there cannot possibly be 157,000,000 muslim terrorists, or is it true that 90% of muslims are not terrorists, as the World Public Opinion survey conveys and Beck has essentially claimed?
 

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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 06:40 PM
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Hey Shosty and your followers...I think France is looking for a few new citizens. You'd fit in well over there.

It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about by making your reference to France.

Maybe you should get your facts straight.

Much of the ridicule and contempt directed to France is based on ignorance and is pandered to by too many politcial opportunists. (such as what you're doing right now)

The classic rap on the French is their poor showing in 1940.
Their failure in 1940 was not the result of some inherent incapacity on the part of the French Nation. If you knew your history, you would know that France never had a chance in 1940.

It's much easier to simply parrot the idiots before you who 'think' that France is weak instead of learning your history and really understanding what happened.

I like to make fun of France too, but for different reasons, but I don't make stuff up about them that isn't true and try to represent it as historical fact.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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It has been proven time and again that it is easier to make up absurd lies and get people to buy into them than it is to try to sneak little white lies past people.

Hitler gained political control of Germany by spreading lies about the Jews and in the end was able to get a nation to allow its government to commit genocide.

People that listen to guys like Beck are for the most part paranoid people that get riled up over the crap he spews.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
People that listen to guys like Beck are for the most part paranoid people that get riled up over the crap he spews.
Yeah? How have you come to that conclusion? Do you know a major percentage of people who listen to guys like Beck? Do you listen to guys like Beck to know of the "crap that he spews"?

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It has been proven time and again that it is easier to make up absurd lies and get people to buy into them than it is to try to sneak little white lies past people.
It has been proven? Where? If it's been proven time and time again, you can surely show us where it's been proven.

If guys like Beck spew crap, can you give a couple examples of spewed crap that is lies?

Who do you think Hitler learned the value of propaganda from? I don't think it was people like Beck.

Purewater Gazatte-Propaganda: Nobody Does It Better Than America.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 10:38 PM
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I think what he was saying, Habs, is that France has never won a war.

I do, however, enjoy their quality tires (Michelin).
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 10:47 PM
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Uh . . . hello . . . tards . . .

If it wasn't for France, America wouldn't exist.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 10:52 PM
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If it wasn't for France, America wouldn't exist.
And the other way around too!
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jgger
And the other way around too!
Maybe, but maybe not.
This has been a highly debated subject with no clear answer.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2010 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Drick
Its obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about because its not "Gitmo" its GTMO.
It obvious you're clueless. It's both. Civilian parlance recognizes "Gitmo". Read any newspaper, news-magazine, etc., and it's "Gitmo"

And of course, there's the source of all knowledge, Wikipedia -
"Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, also called Gitmo. This area became the location of U.S. Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, which covers about 45*square miles (120 km2) and is sometimes abbreviated as "GTMO" or "Gitmo".

I'm not even going to try and explain international banking ties. You'd never get it.

As for all your other comments . . . wow, I didn't think it was possible, but congratulations, you have demonstrated yourself the stupidest person posting on this site. You have set a new low.

Please do not reproduce. The consequences to humanity are too awful to think about.
 
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