i was being sarcastic guy....

 

I know.

 

just making sure...i always leaned towards being a democrat cause independent is just a lost cause....i think NAFTA being passed started screwing over our whole country...what WAS our country anyways...pretty sickening having a kid being kicked out of school for a holiday that doesn't even deal with the US....

 

So, Jack, are you in agreement with the students who believe that these "flag costume" wearing students should apologize for wearing an American flag on a day that is a made up holiday to celebrate Mexican heritage? Should they apologize for poor flag etiquette? Should these "flag costume" wearing students been give the ultimatum of turning their shirts inside out or leaving school for the day? Should a day designated to celebrate a certain heritage be nationally exclusive to that heritage in the United States of America?

 

so if the americans arent suppose to wear the Flag then what are they suppose to wear?? blank white with USA written in sharpie?

i dont see how wearing a shirt with the Flag on it is "disrespectful" i read your little code thing... i see people all the time with shirts on and i find it in no was disrespectful

 

however..yes if a mexican wears a mexican flag shirt on the fth of july id be pissed...cuz we are in america

im surprised that girl knew what the 4th of july way

 

I saw the news report on tv about this and one of the kids wearing the flag shirt was of mexican decent. As far as I'm concerned, the entire country has taken this politically correctness BS way too far, school officails are more concerned about offending the illegals than they are about the rights of the citizens of this country. For christs sake cinco de mayo is not even a real holiday, not in this country anyway. Now if those kids had wore a union jack flag on july 4th then by all means send their a$$e$ home.

 

Wearing a T shirt with the flag seems to be patriotic and respectful to me. Wearing a pair of pants with a flag pattern makes me uncomfortable as the wearer will be sitting on the flag which seems disrespectful. My pet flag peeve is to see the flag hanging in the dark at night without lighting.

Those kids wore their costumes to annoy the Mexicans. If they wore them on the 4th, they would have been applauded by all.

The day will come when the country celebrates Cinco de Mayo much the same as St Paddy's day. My friend Bill has had a Cinco de Mayo party for twenty years, Margarita machine, everyone cooks something, it's a blast. I think he's of French/Italian ancestry.

 

just like yahoo new reporting that the new england patriots disappointed some "wide eyed" kids when they didn't show up to their play 60 event... everyone is so damn sensitive and has feelings...get over it kids, life sucks, get a helmet...i don't know who'd wanna see that awful team anyway

 

Exactly, and that is what everyone seems to be missing. When 5 decided to do it on that day, it was to make a statement and cause trouble. THAT is why they should have been sent home.

Wearing the flag as a shirt may or may not be disrespectful of the flag. I was taught as a kid that you did not do that, so I have always been uncomfortable when I see it. To me, a flag patch is something different from a shirt that is made to look like the flag itself. Just me and the way I was raised.

 

those kids probably did wear those to cause trouble but, that vice principle still has some explaining to do...but if I was in Mexico on that day wearing an American Flag shirt, i'd probably get the crap kicked out of me. And the mexicans that started the fights with the kids wearing the US flag tshirts are that proud of Mexico (even though they live in the us) maybe they should jump in the river and swim back across.

 

Wittom - I will answer you and hopefully, everyone else will understand where I'm coming from on this.

The Flag Code is NOT a law. No one is breaking any law by treating the Flag with disrespect or, by not following the guidance of the Code. The 1st Amendment IS law. Those students are, as citizens of the United States, guaranteed the right of "freedom of speech". If freedom of speech takes the form of proudly wearing the American Flag across your butt or across your crotch, so be it. You can even display the Flag upside down if you feel so inclined. Those students need not apologize for anything. They broke no laws.

Likewise, US citizens of Mexican descent break no laws when they celebrate a day when outnumbered Mexican soldiers defeated an invading French force.

In America, we are supposedly "civilized". Being civilized means treating our fellow citizens with respect. We can certainly disagree, as you and I seem to be doing here, but we don't stoop to threats and intimidation. We can express our views and simply move on or, we can try to persuade each other that our viewpoint is the correct one using logical arguments.

Much of what is "law" breaks down, of course, when in the context of a high school setting. There, you have a population operating mostly on hormones, not reason. It is very easy for a mob mentality to take over, and then people get hurt. The administrators at a school have a difficult task, keeping order in such an environment. Possibly, they should have kept "hands off" and simply called in local police to quell any dangerous activity. I am not going to second guess them, and I'm glad I'm not in their shoes, with the rest of the Country able to look at this through the clear lens of hindsight.

So again, should the student's apologize? Of course not. We try to teach our young to have convictions and to think for themselves. They were simply doing that. And, in the process of learning to guide their own destiny, our young will make mistakes. We can only try to help them through those times and applaud them when they act wisely.

Don't confuse my comment about proper display of the Flag with a desire to restrict the freedoms of anyone. I thought I was very clear on that point. I may not like how you display our Country's Flag, but I will defend your right to do it that way.

That's it, I'm really not trying to convince anyone about anything here. I was simply expressing a viewpoint, my viewpoint. I have done so and I will move on. Opposing viewpoints are, as always, welcome.

- Jack

 

My views on the Flag are pretty much in line with Jack, However just because it annoys me doesn't mean those students didn't have a right to wear them. It doesn't matter what day it is if a student wants to put on an American Flag shirt then that is their choice, it is BS that the students got in any sort of trouble for wearing them on that day and the VP should be fired for a lack of judgment. If it is ok for the mexican students to represent their feelings then why isn't it ok for other students to do the same?

 

I always thought Cinco De Mayo was an advertisment scheme made up by Corona years ago to get people to drink Corona? Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, were in America and if some kids want to wear USA appareal more power to them. Besides, shouldnt the school be more concerned with thier education? Our society is full of sissy butt push overs that get bent out of shape if some one sneeze' in thier direction. Sad, MAN UP AMERICA!!!

 

j. No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

It seems clear that the flag patch, as part of a uniform, whether that uniform is public or private, is acceptable, as long as the organization is "patriotic".

Since no guidance is provided as to the exact composition, size or location of the patch, it would be acceptable by the Flag Code to incorporate a flag patch into a uniform.

Uniform
–noun
6. an identifying outfit or style of dress worn by the members of a given profession, organization, or rank.

Costume
–noun
1. a style of dress, including accessories and hairdos, esp. that peculiar to a nation, region, group, or historical period.
2. dress or garb characteristic of another period, place, person, etc., as worn on the stage or at *****.
3. fashion of dress appropriate to a particular occasion or season: dancing costume; winter costume.
4. a set of garments, esp. women's garments, selected for wear at a single time; outfit; ensemble.

It is logical to assume that the biker jacket is a uniform and consistent with the Flag Code.

The students' garb is more fittingly a costume particular to an occasion and thus JackandJanet is correct, it violates the Flag Code.

Pete