it is documented that toyota told their parts vendors to cut their prices by 30%, 4-5 years ago. obvisouly their vendors gave them a part that had 30% less quality as well. so..... for the last 4-5 years.... where was consumer reports? why did they continue to say toyota products were excellent even thought the parts going in were of questionable quality? what other parts inside those cars are "ready to fail" ?

toyota believed their own hype. (can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear..... can't cut 30% out of the part and expect it to be as good as it used to be) that's what got them into this situation...... they deserve the flogging they are getting. and consumer reports should be "flogged" as well.

oaw

 

I hate consumer reports, their opinions are hogwash.

 

How can you assume that a 30% price reduction means that the product is inferior by that amount? Maybe there was an exorbitant profit that Yota would no longer pay, or any number of other variables.

 

One would assume that if payment was cut, so would quality.

But you are correct, there are a ton of variables that are out there.

Maybe Toy' was paying for that companies workers health plans...

 

What a pointless post. Give the Toyota bashing a rest, you're looking for things that aren't there.

You have that right.

 

Thanks for pointing that out for me MarkY, I was unsure before hand.

 

I agree that cutting 30% off of the price of manufacturing parts doesn't necessarily mean a 30% drop in quality. There are many ways to cut costs on parts and anyone who supplies Toyota would be highly motivated to retain their business and putting out crappy parts could end their relationship quick.

 

[QUOTE=MarkY;4093686]What a pointless post. Give the Toyota bashing a rest, you're looking for things that aren't there.

Pointless post it may be but....

Give it a rest? Like the american public hasn't had the media and consumer reports ram Toyo and Honda quality down our throats for the last ten years isn't enough? Why so many Toyo faithful on a Ford Forum?

($0.02)
is all thats worth

 

30% reduced cost may equate to 50% quality reduction or 20% quality reduction..... who knows. that's not the point.

the point is toyota put parts in their cars that were not as good as 5 years ago but consumer reports continues to heap tons of praise on them.

now the parts pop up as being the problem. what does consumer reports have to say for all of the rave reviews it gave the toyota products?

consumer products..... i'm waiting to hear your answer.

oaw

p.s. no rest from bashing. i will continue to bash forever in print and word of mouth because i don't by their "holier than thow" opinion of themselves.

 

Since it's "documented", how about posting the documentation...otherwise, this is BS. I know of no auto vendor that has a 30% margin in any of their products. They are strictly a volume business, not high margin. Yielding a 30% discount would mean these guys would have to have at least a 50% margin to start with or they would be facing selling parts at a lose...and that's not gonna happen.

 

Your math is based on assumptions...not facts. Just because you cut costs, doesn't mean you cut quality. I agree that Toyota is having their issues...but this is overblown, media hyped (govt supported), to promote American car makers. What they don't realize....Toyota employs many hard working Americans. Again, the Obama administration.....FAILS!!!!

If I had a choice, without hesitation, I'd select a Toyota over any govt bailed out auto company.

 

Whoa whoa WHOA!!! Where are THESE claims coming from? I work in an auto parts department. It is NOT a strictly volume business. Most parts have at least a 50% markup, some 100%. I have even seen a few parts marked up 140%. Where are you getting your figures. I see mine every day..

 

And what major auto maker are you selling these parts to? Oh, your selling RETAIL! Did you know there is a difference?

 

There are only four things I count on in this World,

God,
my gun,
my Toyota,
and my other Toyota.

 

They have already withdrawn their recommendations.