What? Consumer Reports is throwing the Toyotas under the bus?

What are the gonna recommend, KIA?

 

3 Things I can always count on:
My Ford truck
My Gun
Toyota owners being douchers

 

A thing I can count on:

A newbie being a douche.

 

SCREW you

Sorry, just love my Fords

 

ummmm... anyone have the recall notice from Ford yet on blown spark plugs? Still waiting for mine......

https://www.f150online.com/forums/v8...nder-head.html

 

I always pick up the annual "auto issue" of CR and I have actually noticed some of the bad things they have had to say about Toyota over about the last five years. Their quality and dependability isnt what it was several years ago.

Does this mean I should not listen to some of the great things they are saying about Fords cars and trucks these days?

 

All good.

I too love my Ford truck but fond of my Toyota 4runner. My 370Z is coming in next month....guess which vehicle I'm selling.? Yep, the Toyota.

 

^^^

Excellent Choice!

 

Could Ford's quality going up have anything to do with the rollover bashing they were getting one year ago. They all have recalls. Some sooner than others but not too many until they are forced. They are in business to make a profit, not do you a favor. I would not give up on a Honda or Toyota because one part is questionable. I think I had 2 or three recalls on my F150's over the years. Still the best of the lot.

 

Glad you posted that LN- Can you imagine what a car would cost if they built it all out of parts they bought from that poster? I'm sure the price ANY auto manufacture pays for (writes the check for) the parts that are contracted out (a large percentage) would surprise most people (and I mean on the low end), but if it weren't, how in HOLY Toledo would they pay the BILLIONS in overhead before they get to make one red cent.

 

Yea, but it had more to do with increasing production because of the # they were selling than it did with quality of parts they were putting in them. They did suffer because of that, less time to build= more mistakes and workmanship problems. They use some of the highest quality parts I have ever seen (Aisin, Denso, Koyo etc.). I drive a Ford truck, have driven Fords for a long time but my wife drives a Toyota Camry that I bought new in '02 (made in Japan), 7&1/2 years old and not 1 single problem of ANY kind and still runs, rides and drives like the day we brought it home. I don't care much for CR either, but they are reporting accurately on the results of Toyota increasing production and the down side of it.

 

I'm sure that everyone has gone to NHTSA-Defects & Recalls to see all of the recalls that have been issued over the years. You might even want to check your Ford F150.

This is a pretty big deal for Toyota, kind of like the Firestone issue was for Ford. It seems pretty obvious to me that, the way this is being reported by the media and the government, the hype is a tool to get people to buy more Government Motors products.

I think that this hype is going to backfire. It's going to put more Americans out of work.

 

It is a fact that all of the auto companies require some sort of year after year "productivity improvements" from their suppliers. In fact if you go back a number of years at GM (when a guy named Lopez was in charge of Purchasing), you'd find that his rallying cry was "double digit productivity." That meant that he wanted all of his suppliers to reduce the price they charged GM by double digit percentages every year. Was that possible? Well, sometime yes. In many cases though, they ended up getting what they were willing to pay for.

So does Toyota require their suppliers to continuously improve their processes so that the cost of the parts they supply goes down every year? Yes, and so does GM, Ford, Chrysler and everybody else. So exactly what does that prove?

 

I absolutely agree!

 

here is some reading for you guys.........

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/01/auto...tune/index.htm



http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/29/auto...sion/index.htm

wow! consumer reports really provides a valuable service..... they tell you not to buy a certain car after huge recalls and the entire world has heard about the problem (heck... even i can do that). sounds like their service is worth the subscription fee.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/28/auto...tune/index.htm

from the above article...........

Last month, for instance, it was reported that Toyota had "requested" its suppliers to help in reducing parts costs over the next three years to compensate for slowing sales. That's a huge number, and a "request" from a big customer like Toyota is more like an order.
Cutting individual part costs can have a telling effect on their quality. Meanwhile, Toyota also moved more parts-buying overseas, away from familiar Japanese suppliers and into unfamiliar foreign ones. That may look good on the books, but it can lead to unreliable sources.
The 2009 RAV4, one of the models under the current recall, on the surface appears to be a better overall value than its predecessor. But take a close look at something like its instrument panel, and you'll see it has been noticeably cheapened by stripping out popular options and using inferior materials. And those are just the parts of the car that are visible to the customer. More cost-cutting may be hidden from view.
To ensure that it doesn't face any more embarrassing recalls, Toyota is going to have to look through all its new models' parts lists for potential problems caused by cost-cutting and find a fix. And it will have to rethink the way it is designing future models to avoid running into the same issue .

sorry... i can't find the specific article that mentioned the 30% reduction in price they demanded from their suppliers. it was also an article on cnn.money

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