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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 10:18 AM
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You are out of touch if you really believe Obama has "created" any new debt. It would look a lot worse if he let the economy collapse. He's actually being very fiscally conservative considering the challenges he was dealt.
Yes, the housing crisis is on Bush's shoulders, but anybody with more than a pea for a brain knows that it was Clinton policies of forcing banks to loan to minorities and low income that should not have qualified, that was the root of the housing bubble. Banks that were way over qualifying people and then appraisers, appraising houses for outrageous amounts that the house was not worth when it came down to it.

Instead of people like my wife and I, getting approved for 300k, but bought a house for 185,000. you had people getting approved for $350,000 and spending $350,000 with nothing down, so they instantly owe many thousands more than their house is worth based on interests. Who knows what would have happened. Both McCain and Bush warned something like this would happen and the democrats in Washington did nothing, that my friends are the facts, un-debatable.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 11:28 AM
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no way fx41! its always bushes fault! haven't you learned yet?


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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 11:48 AM
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The Reality of Government Healthcare in the United States:

Recently, I had to take my uncle to a Veteran's Administration healthcare facility for his regular kidney dyalisis. The only way to describe my experience with the VA and healthcare is this: Unbelieveably Atrocious.

Now my uncle survived 11 months of captivity in North Korea ( USS Pueblo incident ), and STILL to this day has lingering mental and physical problems from this captivity that the VA has not or will not admit he has, nor will they treat. His kidney problem comes from the torture that he endured; beatings on a regular basis certainly did his kidneys no good.

The staff at the VA facility treated him like a piece of meat; an inconvienience. It was sickening to see how they treated a person who served his country in the military like he did being treated with such disrespect by the staff. It was like "Wham, bam, your done now scram, next" treatment.

I finally had had enough of this poor treatment of not only a veteran, but a human being. I stood up and said, " Is this the way you would treat your own relatives if they were in this situation? Honestly, if you did that to a dog you would be strung up for animal abuse. But I guess you can get away with it in a government facility with American veterans, because, after all, he did defend this country and now he is getting shafted by the country that he proudly defended and endured 11 months of torture for."

The nurse looked at me, and said, "Well, we are understaffed, and we can't spend inordinate amounts of time with each patient to get the job done. And how do you know this man endured 11 months of torture?"

I told the nurse who my uncle was, and how he survived the capture of the USS Pueblo by North Korea. She did not know about this incident in U.S. history. She thought I was MAKING UP A STORY about the incident !! When I explalined what my uncle had gone through, then she finally had some sympathy for his condition, and showed a little ( keyword: little ) compassion for him.

As my uncle and I left, I thought to myself if this is what government run healthcare in the United States will be like, I WANT NO PART OF IT !!! True, the system we have right now is not perfect, but government running it will be worse. And Obamacare would be another boondoggle that will bankrupt this country, just like Social Security, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the War on Poverty, and the Department of Energy.

I now yield the soapbox to the next poster.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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I remember the USS Pueblo.
Just wanted to say I'm proud of your uncle as I know you are.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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Perhaps the health care reform that this administration is attempting to jam down our throats won't be the one factor that leads to the demise of our country. That's why you are advocating on several fronts. Overwhelm the system.
The ignorance and fear displayed here boggles the mind.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Real
Yes, it is. They are called "tea-baggers" and their anger and irrationality is the shame of America. They are a fringe element of this great nation and their movement will wither and die just as quickly as the John Birch Society did. They fail to realize that they need a majority to have any real power. We are a nation of laws, we don't let a few irrational whacko's impose their will on the majority.
The ignorance and fear displayed here boggles the mind.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by harleydude78
The ignorance and fear displayed here boggles the mind.
Harleydude- No need to send you to the eye Doc- you're definitely seeing 20-20. The reason we're in the mess we're in (and we definitely are in a mess), is because posters like the one you quoted are so stupid, they don't even realize they're stupid!
 
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FX41
Yes, the housing crisis is on Bush's shoulders, but anybody with more than a pea for a brain knows that it was Clinton policies of forcing banks to loan to minorities and low income that should not have qualified, that was the root of the housing bubble. Banks that were way over qualifying people and then appraisers, appraising houses for outrageous amounts that the house was not worth when it came down to it.

Instead of people like my wife and I, getting approved for 300k, but bought a house for 185,000. you had people getting approved for $350,000 and spending $350,000 with nothing down, so they instantly owe many thousands more than their house is worth based on interests. Who knows what would have happened. Both McCain and Bush warned something like this would happen and the democrats in Washington did nothing, that my friends are the facts, un-debatable.
It's nice to see factual posts rather than the all-to-common "verbal diarrhea". The crowning insult was when Barney "bend over and pick that up for me will ya?" Franks blamed Bush for the "toxic loan meltdown" when he was one of the main perp's of the mess by FORCING banks to make loans they never would have made otherwise. I have a copy of a document (with "chapter and verse") where Bush went SEVENTEEN times over 3 or 4 years and warned them of the danger of what they were doing (Franks, Dodd & others) and was every time completely ignored. They say you can't cure stupid, they are the poster children for that statement!
 
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 05:21 AM
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As my uncle and I left, I thought to myself if this is what government run healthcare in the United States will be like, I WANT NO PART OF IT !!! True, the system we have right now is not perfect, but government running it will be worse. And Obamacare would be another boondoggle that will bankrupt this country, just like Social Security, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the War on Poverty, and the Department of Energy.

Sadly, you hit the nail on the head. I for one salute your uncle and though not responsible, I apologize for the ignorance of the person who treated your uncle that way. You don't have to wonder how B.H.O. could pull the wool over the eyes of so many people in this country when there is so much ignorance of history (the importance of which is impossible to overestimate) by almost ALL of the younger generation! I and 3 of my 4 brothers served in the military and my son is a 22 year, active military Apache pilot. I truly fear for our grand kids especially- what kind of a world are they going to have to look forward to with the rapid destruction of every thing that is honest, decent or right in the world by the people in power. I've lived a lot of years and I have NEVER seen anything like this!
 
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 02:37 PM
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Here is Gov't run health care. Unfortunately it is the VA system. Seems they botched Murtha's gallbladder operation.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...est=latestnews
 
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kingfish51
Here is Gov't run health care. Unfortunately it is the VA system. Seems they botched Murtha's gallbladder operation.
How is it gov't ran health care's fault that the surgury went wrong? My wife had her gallbladder removed 2 weeks after my daughter was born through c-section. She's doing great, we are expecting my son in a week or so now and we have "gov't ran health care"
Hate it or love it, there is always going to be change. Just seems to be your health care this time. Im curious to see how it works out for you.
Like most Canuks, im happy with my health care program, sure i have to pay more in taxes but its nice not having the ol pocket book ready for the trip to the hospital (id be soooo broke if i had to pay for all my surgerys and my wifes trips to the hospital... she goes 3-4 times a week as of late.)
OK everyone, lets hear your hate for my post
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by shifty219
Hate it or love it, there is always going to be change. Just seems to be your health care this time.
So, what people are telling us Americans that don't want government run health care is that doing things the same as you do in Canada, and as many others do in their country is "change"? Sounds like more of the same to me, and most others here in America.

You don't seem to get it. The American people have made it clear as can be that we don't want change, if that change means doing the same government controlled system as other countries. Our government has proven again and again that it is inept when it comes to running social programs.

Many of us believe that the way to lower the cost of health care for all Americans is for people to be much more involved in their health care decisions, and paying for them, rather than far less involved, letting a government bureaucracy decide what our health care needs are.

It's great that you like your health care in your country. You will never have to worry that we Americans will ever try to take it from you. Perhaps you all can try to look at the situation from our perspective. We have a constitution that is largely being ignored. Many of us, a growing number of us, would like to bring back the constitution, and use it as a guide in the making of laws in our country. Back to the way it was intended.
 

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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:09 AM
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Barack Obama is using the Constitution for toilet paper!










...not his fault though, Bush left it on the spool in the White House bathroom.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
...not his fault though, Bush left it on the spool in the White House bathroom.
I can't argue that point. It shouldn't be used as an excuse though. People should be appalled by any elected (or otherwise appointed) representative who uses the Constitution in such a way. Because it's been done for decades isn't justification for it to continue. Now is a good time to remind our representatives of the rules they took an oath to uphold.

Being a plumber, I know that it's not good to flush the Constitution down the toilet. Especially with these government mandated low flow toilets.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
Barack Obama is using the Constitution for toilet paper!










...not his fault though, Bush left it on the spool in the White House bathroom.


Things I don’t miss about George W. Bush
By Michelle Malkin • February 9, 2010 02:04 PM

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but someone has to do it.
The “Miss Me Yet?” billboard (inspired by Jonathan Maney’s t-shirts) is cute. But let’s not get carried away with nostalgia.
President Bush put America on the proper war footing after 9/11 and deserves much credit for doing so, but he also:

1) joined with open-borders progressives McCain and Kennedy to try to force shamnesty down our throats;
2) massively expanded the federal role in education;
3) championed the Medicare prescription drug entitlement using phony math;
4) kowtowed to the jihadi-enabling Saudis;
5) stocked DHS with incompetents and cronies;
6) pushed Hillarycare for housing;
7) enabled turncoat Arlen Specter;
8. nominated crony Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court;
9) pre-socialized the economy for Obama by embracing TARP, the auto bailouts, the AIG bailout, and in his own words:


“I’ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system.”
– George W. Bush
No, I don’t miss having a corporate socialist Republican in the White House any more than I like having a corporate socialist Democrat in the White House now.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/02/09...george-w-bush/
 
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