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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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^^^ I'm with Klitch, gettin time to kick a few asses.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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Kick their asses at the polls in 2010 and 2012.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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Kick their asses at the polls in 2010 and 2012.
someone has to bleed... before its too late
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by harleydude78
The goal is to have the bill merged and signed into law before the presidents state of the union address.

The libs rammed it through even though the majority of voters don't support this piece of legislation, most people want reform, just not this piece of crap bill. All the closed door deals to buy a few senators votes has most americans pissed off. The dems seem to think they know whats best for us when it comes to our personal healthcare. there are a few good things in the bill but it is mostly all about a pathway, or stepping stone, to universal healthcare.

what happened to transperacy? i thought obama said everything was going to be on cspan? bipartisanship? the repubs weren't ever really let in on this bill in the first place. i thought obama promised during his election run that he was going to bring a new way to do business in washington? i guess he meant the chicago way? hope and change? way to **** away you majorities in the house and senate away dems. Nov 2010 is gonna be a rough, i hope it was worth it.

i wouldnt be suprised if they try to pass amnesty for illegals next
That's the plan sometime in the future (Obama's). Probably won't be until after the 2010 election to protect as many Democrats as he can.

Obama wasn't lying (You Lie !) when he said that he does not want illegals covered in the bill. He just intends amnesty for them. Sneaky sneaky.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 06:52 PM
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Here is more interesting reading regarding this monstrosity of a bill.

To win bill’s passage, deals had to be made
The Associated Press
Special interests, senators line up for concessions
Associated Press / December 22, 2009

Some of the concessions that lawmakers and interest groups won in the latest version of the Senate’s health care overhaul bill:

SENATORS
■Ben Nelson, a Nebraska Democrat who provided the critical 60th vote, won tighter restrictions on abortion coverage, plus numerous benefits for Nebraska. Among them: the federal government will pay the full cost of a proposed expansion of Medicaid, at an estimated cost of $100 million over 10 years; Blue Cross Blue Shield of Nebraska will be exempted from an annual fee on insurers; supplemental Medigap policies such as those sold by Mutual of Omaha are exempted from the annual fee on insurers; and a physician-owned hospital being built in Bellevue, Neb., could avoid a new ban on referrals from doctors who own such hospitals.

■ Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, put in a provision to help the 2,900 residents of Libby, Mont., many of whom have asbestos-related illnesses from a now-defunct mineral mine, sign up for Medicare benefits.

■ Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat and chairman of the Senate Banking Committee who is facing a difficult reelection next year, added an item making $100 million available for construction of a hospital at a public university that he hopes will be the University of Connecticut.

■ Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, negotiated $600 million in additional Medicaid benefits for his state over 10 years, a benefit he said Vermont is due because it has already expanded Medicaid eligibility to the levels outlined in the bill. Massachusetts is getting $500 million in Medicaid help for similar reasons.

■ Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent who was angered after a new government-run plan was dropped from the bill, won a $10 billion increase for community health centers.

■ Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat and key moderate, withheld her support from the legislation until she was able to procure Medicaid help from the federal government worth at least $100 million in 2011.

■ Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, pushed a provision he said will let about 800,000 Florida seniors enrolled in private Medicare Advantage plans keep their extra benefits.

INTEREST GROUPS
■ The American Medical Association announced its coveted endorsement yesterday after a series of changes. Among them: eliminating a 5 percent tax on elective cosmetic surgery procedures, replacing it with a 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services; eliminating payment cuts to specialty and other physicians that were to be used to pay for bonuses to primary-care physicians and general surgeons in underserved areas; and dropping a proposed $300 fee on physicians who participate in Medicare that was to be used to fight fraud in the program.

■ Doctors and hospitals in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming will get paid more than providers in other states.

■ Longshoremen were added to the list of high-risk professions shielded from the full impact of a new tax on high-value health insurance plans, joining electrical linemen, police officers, firefighters, emergency first responders, and workers in construction, mining, forestry, fishing, and certain agriculture jobs.

■ Makers of brand-name biotech drugs won 12 years of protection against would-be generic competitors.

■ Drugmakers fended off proposals to allow importation of cheaper drugs from Canada and other countries, and to let the government negotiate drug prices for Medicare recipients.
Here is the source.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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Wookie - Thats all just right wing propaganda that you saw on the Glenn Beck show (insert sarcasm)
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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Didn't the majority vote him in looking for change? Everyone wants change until it effects them. Change is good for everyone else. The only thing a politician understands is votes. Vote them out. I wonder if the underinsured are the majority?
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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How is that hoax and change working for you??

I'll keep my Money, my Freedom, my Guns, and my religon and you can keep the change.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2009 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by harleydude78
Wookie - Thats all just right wing propaganda that you saw on the Glenn Beck show (insert sarcasm)
They could try but it is from the Boston Globe, not quite a far right wing paper.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 12:51 PM
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1xt4x4 -
"STRAIGHT, WHITE, GUN-TOTING, CONSERVATIVE MALE. Anything else I can do to **** you off?"

I'm with you!!

a few days ago, i passed a jackass with a bumpersticker that said "Doing my part to **** off the Christian right"

I'm going to get one made with your quote on it and go find that jackass!
thanks, man, you made my day!
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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They must have misspelled that sticker, it should have read: Doing my part to **** off the Christian Reich.......
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluejay
The problem is that we have become a society of entitilement and "hand out" rather than one that works for what they receive. The takers are beginning to outnumber the providers. I think you will see more of this until we totally collapse from the burden. The voters wanting something for little effort now outnumber those that are paying for it.
I agree 100% with you. a lot of people talk about how capitalism is such a terrible thing...but in all reality, capitalism has been doing this country good for how many years now? It worked out the best in the early/mid 1900's but think about americas work ethic back then. america's work ethic has reduced at an extreme rate because of all of the handouts that are being given to the lazy. People are not idiots, if they see that they can just get a check every month and not work...they just do it not knowing or understanding whats really going on.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 07:28 PM
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also...can you believe that obama actually wants to completly get rid of the militarys no-cost healthcare? thank god it got turned down....doesnt anyone else find it weird that he is trying to get all of america to have basically the same healthcare plan that the military has...but he wanted to get rid of the militarys no cost healthcare???? ask anyone in the military...we take out healthcare benefits into a huge consideration when it comes to our job. we get paid minimal but the healthcare smoewhat makes up for it...Obama wants to get rid of it...but yet offer no pay raise to make up for the healthcare plan we will have to pay for! it really will suck for those new enlisted people who will break 25k a year MABYE....will now have to also pay for their healthcare...thanks obama for putting yet another strain on the men and women who defend this country...its not like we dont have enough to worry about when bullets are flying by our heads.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ddellwo
Very sad, indeed. Anyone who has an ounce of concern for this country should make the 2010 and 2012 November elections an absolute bloodbath for the Democrats......
I'm with you on this one. You'll see me in the booth voting (for the first time in my life) right down the Conservative party line. I've decided to abandon the whole "vote on the issues thing" and just vote to run the #@*&* Democrats out of office - if at all possible.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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MA voters have pivotal role in passage of "health insurance reform?

I don't know if the people here know, but in Massachusetts we get to vote for a new senator. There is a special election Jan. 19 to fill the seat that Kennedy vacated, and that was filled by our govenors appointment.

In this election there is a progressive, a RINO and a liberatatian. The progressive seems to have the edge because, well, it's Massachusetts. The liberatarian is the spoiler in this case. I think that there are a lot of "tea party" type people who would like to vote for a conservative candidate, and the libertarian would be the one to fit that bill the closest. The problem is, while this guy has name recognition, Kennedy, there aren't many people who know what he's about. There is speculation that there might be some uninformend dems who vote for him thinking that he's "a Kennedy".

In this case the RINO is our only hope to stop this health care legislation. He vows to vote against it, cap and tax and amnisty.

If there are enough people in this state who have a shread of common sense, and the health care bill is held up for a while, the bill can be killed. The chances of that happening are quite slim I know, but it is possible.

Keep an eye on MA in the next few weeks. Coakley is the woman, our current AG, who is figured to win. Brown, one of our state senators, is the RINO who a lot of us will be holding our noses to vote for. He's seen, by the few conservatives in this state, as our only hope to stop the rapidly advancing progressive agenda. It's hard to have faith in this state, but some of us would like to have faith that people here see what's going on and will do thier duty to stop it.

By electing a republican senator, the super majority would be broken. The dems would still have their majority. They'd still have their 59 to the repubs 41. Freedom is in the balance. All most of us are asking for is balance. There should never again be a super majority, from any party.

We shall see.
 

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