President said what??
I'm late in this response, but, I'm old and slow. 
Frank, Muslims are murdering everyone, including other Muslims! (Shi'a against Sunni). They don't even get along with themselves, Just as Catholic Christians in Northern Ireland were murdering Protestant Christians and vice versa. And, don't our Protestant religions have a subtle distrust of the Catholics here? (Overt in the case of the KKK). What does that mean? Not much really.
The majority of all these people, I'm sure, just wanted to live in peace.
Why can't you get it that these acts of terror are caused by a small, militant minority? These "terrorists" are not following a religion, they're just using it as an excuse. This is what most all terrorists do. They cloak themselves in a "holy" mantle, then embark on whatever act that suits their distorted view of the world.
Haven't you heard terrorists say, "God told me to do it."?
No, these are not people who are inspired by true religion. They are simply sociopaths. Nothing more. Religion has nothing to do with it.
- Jack

Frank, Muslims are murdering everyone, including other Muslims! (Shi'a against Sunni). They don't even get along with themselves, Just as Catholic Christians in Northern Ireland were murdering Protestant Christians and vice versa. And, don't our Protestant religions have a subtle distrust of the Catholics here? (Overt in the case of the KKK). What does that mean? Not much really.
The majority of all these people, I'm sure, just wanted to live in peace.
Why can't you get it that these acts of terror are caused by a small, militant minority? These "terrorists" are not following a religion, they're just using it as an excuse. This is what most all terrorists do. They cloak themselves in a "holy" mantle, then embark on whatever act that suits their distorted view of the world.
Haven't you heard terrorists say, "God told me to do it."?
No, these are not people who are inspired by true religion. They are simply sociopaths. Nothing more. Religion has nothing to do with it.
- Jack
Muslims/Leaders of countries seeking nuclear arms, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, (Iran) have not said they want to wipe Europe,Mexico,Costa Rica,France, etc. of the map. What they have said is wipe Isreal and America off the map.
I don't think your old and slow. You seem very educated. Could be senile if your real old. (Just kiddin around with you on that tho.) lol

That, my friend, is what makes many weary of the Muslim faith.
Besides the fact that i believe it is a false faith and the end times religion as many expert Bible scholars do.
I'm late in this response, but, I'm old and slow. 
Frank, Muslims are murdering everyone, including other Muslims! (Shi'a against Sunni). They don't even get along with themselves, Just as Catholic Christians in Northern Ireland were murdering Protestant Christians and vice versa. And, don't our Protestant religions have a subtle distrust of the Catholics here? (Overt in the case of the KKK). What does that mean? Not much really.
The majority of all these people, I'm sure, just wanted to live in peace.
Why can't you get it that these acts of terror are caused by a small, militant minority? These "terrorists" are not following a religion, they're just using it as an excuse. This is what most all terrorists do. They cloak themselves in a "holy" mantle, then embark on whatever act that suits their distorted view of the world.
Haven't you heard terrorists say, "God told me to do it."?
No, these are not people who are inspired by true religion. They are simply sociopaths. Nothing more. Religion has nothing to do with it.
- Jack

Frank, Muslims are murdering everyone, including other Muslims! (Shi'a against Sunni). They don't even get along with themselves, Just as Catholic Christians in Northern Ireland were murdering Protestant Christians and vice versa. And, don't our Protestant religions have a subtle distrust of the Catholics here? (Overt in the case of the KKK). What does that mean? Not much really.
The majority of all these people, I'm sure, just wanted to live in peace.
Why can't you get it that these acts of terror are caused by a small, militant minority? These "terrorists" are not following a religion, they're just using it as an excuse. This is what most all terrorists do. They cloak themselves in a "holy" mantle, then embark on whatever act that suits their distorted view of the world.
Haven't you heard terrorists say, "God told me to do it."?
No, these are not people who are inspired by true religion. They are simply sociopaths. Nothing more. Religion has nothing to do with it.
- Jack
Jack, all I can say to that and other statements in your post is to read some of the Qur'an. Muslims are killing literally all over the world in isolated incidents, even in Europe. No offense, but your statement shows how little you grasp what is in the Qur'an.
I have never said they are all killing, I just have said that it is in their book and that other Muslims in countries other than western nations sit back and let it happen. This is a fact.
efuehrin,
In your example, the government would know where the KKK offices, meeting rooms and clubhouses are located (or whatever the heck they go to)
I don't know much about them other than the episodes of Oprah I've seen where they bring their kids on there in there cute little KKK uniforms.
Point I'm making, well, I'm more asking is, wouldn't the government know who is a KKK member already and where they are located?
We don't have any KKK up here in Canada but our prisons do have a large % of Aryan Brotherhood and skinhead types who think they are morally superior because they are white. Same garbage, just a different name for it. All stems from hate.
It's much easier to fight an enemy when you know who he is and where to find them.
As far as trying to put a face on Al-Qaeda, how do you put a face on them?
This is the problem isn't it? If it were up to me, I'd love nothing more than to round up every last one of the Al-Qaeda and string em up by the tallest branch. The question is How to find them?
In your example, the government would know where the KKK offices, meeting rooms and clubhouses are located (or whatever the heck they go to)
I don't know much about them other than the episodes of Oprah I've seen where they bring their kids on there in there cute little KKK uniforms.
Point I'm making, well, I'm more asking is, wouldn't the government know who is a KKK member already and where they are located?
We don't have any KKK up here in Canada but our prisons do have a large % of Aryan Brotherhood and skinhead types who think they are morally superior because they are white. Same garbage, just a different name for it. All stems from hate.
It's much easier to fight an enemy when you know who he is and where to find them.
As far as trying to put a face on Al-Qaeda, how do you put a face on them?
This is the problem isn't it? If it were up to me, I'd love nothing more than to round up every last one of the Al-Qaeda and string em up by the tallest branch. The question is How to find them?
The Taliban were partners with Al Qaeda. Remember? They were the governing body in Af before the US went in guns blazing.
Iran???? Syria???? They don't harbor and fund Hamas???? You think they don't know where to find them and mostly what they are up to?
You really think Pakistan couldn't go in and do a hell of a lot better job rooting out Al-Qaeda on the Af border? If they had support from within it would happen.
Habibi, I'm sure the people you met in your travels were very nice people that cared for their fellow man much as we would expect any moral person to do. However many of these loving, caring people are living in countries that have far different agendas.
A big problem with the Islamic religion is that these Middle Eastern countries are Islamic Governments that rule by Islamic law. They have Islamic Clerics that advise the President and military.
They could do something about it. They chose not to.
I've heard too many Muslims say that they don't condone what the extremists do, "but they understand why they do it", to cut them a complete pass. It's like those Christians who condemn abortion clinic killings, but can see how someone would want to do it. Secretly, they think it's justified. They just don't want to be stigmatized by others knowing their real views.
Of course, not all Muslims hold fanatic views. Not even most... But there are a frightening number who do. That's the difference between that religion and all others. Besides, Christian fanatics knock on your door and try to convert you. Islamic fanatics knock down your door and cut your head off... Or blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace.
Of course, not all Muslims hold fanatic views. Not even most... But there are a frightening number who do. That's the difference between that religion and all others. Besides, Christian fanatics knock on your door and try to convert you. Islamic fanatics knock down your door and cut your head off... Or blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace.
Last edited by Odin's Wrath; Nov 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM.
Allah, God, Has so many weapons at his disposal, Why would he need a simple human to take care of his business?
For example: tornadoes, hurricanes, meteors etc:. At least that is my opinion.
My opinion isn't worth much, but I still have one.
For example: tornadoes, hurricanes, meteors etc:. At least that is my opinion.
My opinion isn't worth much, but I still have one.
I've heard too many Muslims say that they don't condone what the extremists do, "but they understand why they do it", to cut them a complete pass. It's like those Christians who condemn abortion clinic killings, but can see how someone would want to do it. Secretly, they think it's justified. They just don't want to be stigmatized by others knowing their real views.
Of course, not all Muslims hold fanatic views. Not even most... But there are a frightening number who do. That's the difference between that religion and all others. Besides, Christian fanatics knock on your door and try to convert you. Islamic fanatics knock down your door and cut your head off... Or blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace.
Of course, not all Muslims hold fanatic views. Not even most... But there are a frightening number who do. That's the difference between that religion and all others. Besides, Christian fanatics knock on your door and try to convert you. Islamic fanatics knock down your door and cut your head off... Or blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace.
Yeah. Not only did I mean that, it's what I said.

Though I can see how he thought I meant the abortions themselves if he wasn't paying close attention.
Last edited by Odin's Wrath; Nov 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM.
Well like i said those aren't true Christians! 
Those are ppl who think they are going to heaven b/c they go to Church a couples times a year, but really have no kind of a relationship...(The might call themselves Christians)
You can be very educated about the bible, but not kno Christ.
When hard times come they don't even think about reflecting Christ.
Many say they are Christian, but make kno attempt to live like one or to reflect that they have a perosnal relationship.
It's sad...many think they are going to heaven b/c they go to Church.
I knew what you meant in your post,
Just wanted the opertunity to point out that sadly there are many who don't kno the Lord, but like to say, "yeah im saved im going to heaven."
and.....
Altho Churches sometimes send missionaries around door to door, most of the time it is a Jehovahs Witness's. Don't get them confused with "real" Christians. They believe that you have to earn your salvation. (The reason they come to your door trying to get you to buy in to there idealology)
It's a free gift to become a Christian, No Earning involved. You just have to have faith, believe that Jesus (perfect sacrifice) sacrificed himself so you could be forgiven if you choose to accept his gift.
Reward=Heaven!
Those are ppl who think they are going to heaven b/c they go to Church a couples times a year, but really have no kind of a relationship...(The might call themselves Christians)
You can be very educated about the bible, but not kno Christ.
When hard times come they don't even think about reflecting Christ.
Many say they are Christian, but make kno attempt to live like one or to reflect that they have a perosnal relationship.
It's sad...many think they are going to heaven b/c they go to Church.
I knew what you meant in your post,
Just wanted the opertunity to point out that sadly there are many who don't kno the Lord, but like to say, "yeah im saved im going to heaven."
and.....
Altho Churches sometimes send missionaries around door to door, most of the time it is a Jehovahs Witness's. Don't get them confused with "real" Christians. They believe that you have to earn your salvation. (The reason they come to your door trying to get you to buy in to there idealology)
It's a free gift to become a Christian, No Earning involved. You just have to have faith, believe that Jesus (perfect sacrifice) sacrificed himself so you could be forgiven if you choose to accept his gift.
Reward=Heaven!
Last edited by offroadn'98; Nov 17, 2009 at 01:02 PM.
I'd bet they think Christians who don't believe what they believe (killing abortion doctors, for example) aren't "Real Christians" either? Many Islamic extremists feel they are the only "True Muslims." People's opinions and belief systems are generally developed and modified in support of the actions they take in life, and the actions they see those around them taking. Rare is the person that learns from the mistakes of others. Rare is the person that evolves beyond the teachings of their upbringing.
Last edited by Odin's Wrath; Nov 17, 2009 at 01:18 PM.
I'd bet they think Christians who don't believe what they believe (killing abortion doctors, for example) aren't "Real Christians" either? Many Islamic extremists feel they are the only "True Muslims." People's opinions and belief systems are generally developed and modified in support of the actions they take in life, and the actions they see those around them taking. Rare is the person that learns from the mistakes of others. Rare is the person that evolves beyond the teachings of their upbringing.
But the difference is...99.999999% of ppl who call themselves Christians would never see that as being justifiable in any way.
And we are outspoken against these crazy events that have NO Christian foundation.
The difference...
Muslims are seemingly about half and half.....
peaceful ones vs. crazy ones......
it seems about 50/50....
If they are against it they need to speak up...........
I realize it's a different culture from anything i know.........
Unfortuately this isn't a perfect world.......
Last edited by offroadn'98; Nov 17, 2009 at 02:31 PM.
Originally Posted by Odin's Wrath
Still reading my posts? (As rare as they are anymore.)
Their thrusts and parries are clumsy at best however, it garners much jocularity when viewed with a tankard of ale.
Last edited by Raoul; Nov 17, 2009 at 02:33 PM.



