WMD? Just because we havent found them, doesnt mean they arent there. Hell, i could have nuclear warheads in my basement and nobody would ever know, needle in a haystack

 

Don't think so Moose - the mere act of acquiring them is going to paint a big red arrow, right to your home.

To all who say, "They're there, we just can't find them." Or, "We found them, but it's being kept a secret." Or, "He smuggled them out, he was just too clever for us to detect it." Or, "The media covered it up, we found WMDs and they didn't report it." And so on....

You either believe that:Somehow, the much simpler explanation that WMDs never existed at all and that Saddam Hussein made a great miscalculation when he thought he could simply deny their existence without allowing inspectors in, makes much more sense.

Again, I come back to history. Wars were won or lost due to mistakes and miscalculations. It is obvious to anyone who has studied warfare that this is a fundamental truth.

- Jack

 

We know they were there, that is a fact. The only people that said no WMD's was the liberal media and Bush. Bush said no to keep the troops safe from anyone finding out that they did find the WMD's so they would not be attacked for them. The books I suggested in my first post here explain all of this in a non biased way from 2 guys that had to work for Saddam or they would be killed trying to leave the country.

 

I agree with everyone. And how about this economy. its pretty sad when I get laied off from pest control in florida! now im over qualified for everything im applying for! grrrrrrrrr

 

This is a joke, right?

You can't honestly believe what you just said here.

- Jack

 

You either believe that:
A. The US Intelligence agencies are truly inept, or
B. Bush didn't try very hard to find the justification for his war that would have made him the greatest President ever, or
C. A bunch of third-world terrorists are BETTER than the combined efforts of Western World allies, or
D. The Liberal Media controls the World and would like to see it destroyed.

- Jack[/QUOTE]

Or all the above.

 

Your assessment is that impeachment was the RIGHT thing to do. Does that make you a republican?


Back to the OP's topic: so do you think that the economy has bottomed out and that we are now in a recovery? Could it be more platitudes and propaganda form an administration that has used such tactics to it's fullest advantage? Are the American people gullible, or should we believe what our president and his administration are telling us?

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Not widely reported on the evening news, for obvious reasons.

 

I don't think my assessment that impeachment was right makes me a Republican at all. I DO happen to be registered as a Republican and I vote. And, I did NOT vote for Bill Clinton, either time. He deserved to be impeached because he lied under oath. He should have been convicted too, but he wasn't.

I DO think the economy has bottomed out. It may well drop again a bit though in the "W" pattern before it really recovers. I have no doubt that it WILL recover - the question is simply "when"?

- Jack

 

Aren't there currently congressional investigations into one of our top intelligence agencies to prove that they are in fact inept?

Wasn't the US intelligence used by several congresses, by more than one president, and by one president as a pretense to go to war gathered by the same agencies that Pelosi and congress are investigating to prove that they are inept?

So if there are in fact NO WMD, the US intelligence agencies must be inept.

Then, should we believe that the current administrations economic advisors, Sec. of the Treasury and Fed Reserve chair competent enough to properly evaluate our economy? Based on their calculations in thier nine months in office, they might be more inept than our intelligence agencies.

 

I'm sorry, but I HAVE to point out that "yellowcake" is simply a form of uranium ore, it is not a weapon. Sure, a quantity that large could yield a usable amount of U-235, but it takes some pretty hefty equipment to produce that yield.

Still no WMDs....

- Jack

 

Directly from the article:
"While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment."


Also remember, Bushie was going to Iraq based on the information from George Tenet and his "slam-dunk" on Iraq. George Tenet was a clinton appointee.
Game, set, match.

 

Not really. Having been in the "intelligence reporting business" for a bit, I have some idea how it works. The people you report to have jobs to protect. They have to satisfy the needs of their bosses, which are built upon political goals. You are told to report things that support those goals, and to suppress anything that is contrary to those goals.

Now, the ultimate political bosses are in the Administration. They tell the intelligence agencies what they want to hear. Not surprisingly, they get exactly what they want to hear.

IF you have an Administration with an open mind, then the intelligence agencies and other advisory boards can do their jobs and they will do it well.

President Dwight Eisenhower was a master at listening to his advisers. He knew he didn't have all the answers, so he got good advice. Abe Lincoln, from all accounts, was of similar stature, but that's too far back, isn't it?

- Jack

 

Your post is half true, half false. There are many "career employees" at Foggy Bottom and at the CIA. These people are liberal democrats that color their reports with their political leanings.

This is covered in-depth in, "Sabotage: Americas' Enemies Within The CIA", "Surrender Is Not An Option", "At The Center Of The Storm", and also, "The Politics of Diplomacy."

Remember, an administrations' policy is colored by his advisors AND the reports they get from the CIA and State.

 

All you have to do to spread panic is to say: "radiation"!

I can see people diving under tables right now! Yellowcake cannot be made into a "dirty bomb" - read the quote! And, Frank, I acknowledged that it COULD be refined into usable uranium, didn't I? Did we find any capability in Iraq to perform this task?

Tenet told Bush what Bush wanted to hear. Bush needed an excuse. Rational minds, like Colin Powell, were telling him to proceed carefully, but he didn't listen and managed to get the CIA to construct a pretense that justified an invasion.

You're not even in the game.

- Jack