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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 10:39 AM
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Can you possibly post a copy of the "study guide." I cannot find it anywhere.
http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html

It's below the video titled Classroom Activities.

These were the latest revisions of course, I can't find the old ones. I'm sure they are still up somewhere.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 10:55 AM
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I'm looking for the original "socialist" one.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RileyDog
I'm looking for the original "socialist" one.
I think this is the same one FATHERFORD already posted, but it's the original site we used a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure the update "wrote" over the old one.

http:// www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html

I can ask around and see if anyone on staff copied the old version down to their HD.

Biggest difference I can remember is:

The lesson plans, available online, originally recommended having students ''write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.''

The revised plans ask students to write letters to themselves about how they ''can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals.''
 

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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RileyDog
I'm looking for the original "socialist" one.
Oh, somebody has got the original alright. He's just holding onto it right now.
It will be released at the proper time, aka Dan Rather and the Natl' Guard Paper.

 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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Oh, somebody has got the original alright. He's just holding onto it right now.
It will be released at the proper time, aka Dan Rather and the Natl' Guard Paper.

Thats about what I'm expecting. The only "socialist" thing I heard was re: kids writing about how they can help the President. Maybe word it differently to say help country, but it still isn't socialist.

Glenn Beck takes so many things so far .
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RileyDog
Glenn Beck takes so many things so far .
He is very very extreme. When I do watch him, you have to pick facts out and go look them up yourself. He is a good source of factual information, but he likes to stretch the facts some to view as he sees fit for the best ratings.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RileyDog
Thats about what I'm expecting. The only "socialist" thing I heard was re: kids writing about how they can help the President. Maybe word it differently to say help country, but it still isn't socialist.

Glenn Beck takes so many things so far .
There were leaked copies The Drudge Report put out that said "serve", shortly after the ed.gov site put up some that said "help", then after that the Administration apologized and reworded to "help them achieve goals..."
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FATHERFORD
He is very very extreme. When I do watch him, you have to pick facts out and go look them up yourself. He is a good source of factual information, but he likes to stretch the facts some to view as he sees fit for the best ratings.
I'd like to hear about the facts that he "stretches". Let's see some precise instances.

Everything that I have researched that he has said has checked.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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I'm curious Raoul. What do you think about Obama's troop deployments to Afghanistan ?
Still waiting on Raoul's opinion (crickets)
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 07:02 PM
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Also Kennedy said "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"! I guess it was a different time.. you have to admit our kids are in trouble with parents unwilling to actually get involved to show kids right from wrong etc. when i was young and in school, you had to be afraid to do something stupid. there was the paddle and then the parent with a belt to staighten you out. not beatings mind you, just keeping you inline. now parents and teachers have to be afraid little johnny will sue them for looking at them wrong! taking responsibility for ones actions whether young or old is a huge start. so whatever it takes to get peoples attention.....

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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Also Kennedy said "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"! I guess it was a different time......
A President asking that you do something for your "country" is quite different than him asking your child to do something for "him".

Not to mention, Government works for us, we don't work for them, many both inside and outside of Washington, seem to forget or never knew it: "...Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."-- Abraham Lincoln

Remember, the audience we are talking about was our children ages 5 - 18.

It is not our kids responsibility to serve anyone, other than their parents and other adult figures directly in their lives. By serving I mean handing dad the paper and a cup of coffee, making their bed, doing their homework, and being home before dark.

Lets face it, the great unifier, is really polarizing to many, as a nation we are center-right, and when parents heard, the President was going to ask their child, what they can to to "serve", they might freak out a bit, and in fact did........
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 01:45 AM
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Did anybody else see the commercial with some well known actors asking what they could do to best "serve" barrack obama ? I love it how actors think they can be politicians and sway the vote just because they're famous, do us all a favor and stick to acting.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 05:44 AM
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it is amazing that one word like that could bring about uproar. i think this country is great, we can question the motives of our president. i see your point. i did not vote for him, but still don't want to see our country go into the toilet. we need our strong values and work ethic back. people coming into our country should change not the other way around. good point...i didn't read into that originally....it is nice to know he is being watched and people aren't just puppets after all. i was getting nervous when a man basically from knowwhere became the most powerful almost overnight it seemed.....but i also didn't know palin either.....glad they weren't both on the same ticket! LOL

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