Yeah that @#%!& is stupid. An ak is no worse than any other gun they all are purpose built for 1 thing, no matter how powerfull they are they all are going to do the same amount of damage in the right hands....or wrong hands however you look at it.

 

Well I have heard the same thing, but here in Texas they are trying to pass a law that permits u to carry a concealed handgun on campus. But in order to purchase a handgun you have to be 21 so I doubt that there are many high school or elementary school students that will be carring a glock 9. Maybe in Oklahoma. Maybe thats what you were thinking of, cuz I seriously doubt that "kids" will be carrying guns to school.....legaly anyway.

 

We allow armed Air Marshals on planes. What's more dangerous, a gun on a plane with 500 passengers at 33,000 feet, or someone who could save kids lives in a classroom?

My answer is neither. Knowing that you taught at a university, I am guessing that you are pro-gun control. So my points would be risible to you.

 

How about this any one of those teachers that wants to can carry one in school now Illegally, and if little joey's parents are stupid enough to shoot a kid because she is out to get their son, then they are more likely to do it with an illegal weapon. See to get a CCW you have to show that you can stop and think before reacting, so if they all had CCW then I would feel better than them not. Now if all my daughters teachers had CCW permits I would feel very safe, it would be nice to know that if some wacko comes into the school the teachers would be able to handle the situation.

 

What a silly argument. If joey's parents wanted to attack my daughter in school, then they are not law abiding citizens. A non-law abiding citizen can go into just about any school in america right now, and shoot my daughter with their illegal weapon. They don't care about your damned laws. What is being discussed here are the rights of the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. All your gun control laws do is prevent the teacher, or another parent from stopping the attack!!! WAKE UP!

 

Hey Jack,

While I generally agree with your thoughts, I have to disagree here. There is a state that already allows concealed carry on school premises. I think it's Utah, but don't quote me on that. There's been 3 school shootings, that I can think of, and they all have one thing in common: no person was legally carrying a weapon.

École Polytechnique (December '89) - What if any Canadians, besides cops, were allowed to carry?
Columbine (April '99) - What if a teacher had been carrying? Could (s)he have stopped the guys in trench coats?
Virginia Tech (April '07) - Again, what if one or more teachers had been carrying?

I have 2 boys, who aren't in school yet, but will in time. I would feel much better knowing that teachers can and may be armed and able to stop an attack. Carrying a gun in a school is no different than carrying a gun on the roads where road rage may present itself, yet you don't hear of shootings at intersections, every other day.

Oh, and shifty, just because we disagree on something doesn't mean I don't like you. You're still cool with me, too!

I think you misunderstand what their intentions are. It's not to force all teachers to carry, but allow those with valid CCW permits to carry, if they are so inclined. It adds a variable to a would-be attacker's plans and people who are about to violate the law or attack another person, generally don't like variables.

From Wikipedia:
I realise I probably won't change your mind, just as you probably won't change mine, but it's something to think about.

 

Come look at some of the 'schools' in baltimore. I don't even feel safe driving past them. If the teachers were allowed to carry guns I think things would be a lot better.

 

I think you should do some research into how many crimes are committed by legal concealed gun carriers. People that go through the classes and take the time to legally carry concealled, are some of the most law abiding citizen in the country.

And yes, if all these people have their CCW than I would absolutly feel like she is more safe.

 

At my high school we had 2 knife fights in front of the school in just 1 year. And I believe there were at least 2 or 3 kids arrested for having a gun. And the city bus station now has to have cops there during all open hours because of students bringing guns or starting fights. And thats just at the high school I refused to go to the college here in town due to what i witness at the high school. In ten years this will be the new Detroit.

 

Stats show that you're less likely to be a victim of a crime if you're carrying.

Read some of Gary Kleck's articles. Gary Kleck is a criminology professor at Florida State University. He received his PhD in sociology from Illinois @ Urbana. This dude writes LOTS of stuff about guns and society. Here are some excerpts from his article "Carrying guns for protection: results from the National Self-Defense Survey."

Even criminals dont carry guns to hurt people.

Basically, unarmed robbers are more likely to hurt you and unarmed robbers are deterred by gun carrying citizens

While allowing gun possession doesnt necessitate decrease in crime, there is a strong correlation.

That's just a small taste of his extensive studies.



Make sure you're informed before you go around hating freedom, and voting to disallow self defense to law abiding Americans.

 

That was a great post ! I learned a few more stats !

 

very good post.

 

I've had to be away for much of the day battling the aftermath of a broken water main under a house that flooded it. Let's hear it for galvanized pipe!

I'd like to clear up a possible misunderstanding. I grew up with guns. We always had guns in our home and they were always loaded. I learned to shoot as a boy. I also learned that guns were not toys. I learned that when you point a gun at someone, you pull the trigger. I still believe, and would follow that lesson.

While I was in the Air Force I always qualified "Expert" with both a 38 revolver (which is what we carried in combat) and with the M-16. I know how to shoot.

I own several weapons: seven pistols (if you count two flintlocks and a pellet gun), three rifles and two shotguns. Also, assorted knives, daggers and two swords.

I am NOT pro-gun control. I have no problem with mandatory registration though.

I would be very happy if ALL airline pilots were armed and if at least 50% of the planes had armed Air Marshals on board. It is not particularly dangerous to fire a pistol in an airplane - they make very small holes.

Yes, I know about Utah. "Welcome to Utah, please set your clocks back 60 years." (I''m kidding, of course, Utah is a wonderful State).

Arizona is also trying to make guns legal in bars. Is a drunk with a gun a good idea? I know other States have passed similar laws.

The Arizona House recently approved a bill that would permit gun owners to keep a weapon out of sight in a locked vehicle in a parking lot or garage. This bill would override employers that ban weapons on their property.

And, in mid-June a Senate committee approved a bill that would allow Arizonans to carry concealed weapons without state permits, despite objections from law enforcement. "Welcome to Arizona, please set your clocks back 150 years."

I'm interested in what some of the members here, who are in Law Enforcement, think about all this?

And, I'm familiar with the argument that, "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns." I do not want to become like Mexico!

I repeat - I am NOT a gun control nut. I believe in individual freedoms. The Government has no rights to interfere in my life that are not specifically spelled out by the Constitution.

- Jack

 

He said "allowed".

If you have a Fire extinguisher, does that make you paranoid, too?

Better to have it and not need it, than the other way 'round. Don't cha think?

 

Sure, no argument!

Where are you going to pack it? To schools, when you visit the teacher in a PTA meeting, that's a given. Let's see, to the grocery store, never know when a crazed shopper will start shooting at random. To Church - oh definitely! All them crazy agnostics or atheists might just show up at any time and start trying to enforce THEIR idea of "world order" on you! Into court? Yep! Next time you have to go there to protest that damned traffic ticket the cop gave you cause he didn't like the way you were driving, it will sure give you a little "respect", won't it?

Oh, better keep it under your pillow after you're married! Never know when your Wife might take it into her crazy head to do a "Bobbit" on you!

Now that I think about it, can't even trust your children - look at all the kids that kill their parents! It all could have been prevented if the parents had just had a gun in their hand!

- Jack