Yeah, (cue the "Mission Impossible" theme) Chris, this tape will self-destruct in twenty seconds...

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Or (cue the "Get Smart" theme) Missed it by that much............Would you believe...

 

Hey Drew... Where have you been?

 

Justed wanted to write in to express my amusement that so many of you are quick to reject what Chris has said, without providing any speculations as to why he was wrong. One even made a witch hunt comment, yet from where I'm standing, it looks like a group is lining up to stone him, based solely on prejudices.

Now granted, I am not familiar with Chris's previous posts and how they relate to his position on the political spectrum, but I sure do find it odd to see that while there are plenty denying the legitimacy of what Chris has said, there has yet to be a single person to show any sort of link between Bush's actions and their reason to refute Chris.

 

Read post # 8. "Liberal Dream." Explain the logic. Not picking up rocks here, just not following the logic. My classification of Bush as a liberal's dream, would be a nightmare, not a dream.

 

Well, I don't want to step on Chris's toes by posting this, but I do agree with his premise that Bush is a liberal's dream.


In order to make any sense of this, I first have to give definitions to what I am calling a liberal and conservative. Bear in mind, that they are nothing but silly names given to schools of thought and political philosophies. At one time, liberals (known now more accurately as classical liberals) were lumped in with the likes of the founding fathers...those who favor a limited government and base many of their beliefs on the work of Hobbes and Locke. Definitely a far cry from what we call liberals today.

So, for the purpose of this, liberals = large government, democratic rule, social programs, government involvement and legislation of many aspects of life....whereas....conservatives = limited government, rule by republic, and the purpose of government is mainly to protect the public's rights and property.

Some may take offense to these titles, and if it pleases you more, feel free to substitute "a" and "B", Yankees and Sox, whatever floats your boat.


Reasons Bush is more liberal than you may think:

-No Child Left Behind. A large scale intrusion by the federal government into an issue that had once been handled by smaller localities. In addition, the funding that went with it. It was the first time in our history that education had been nationalized. A scary thought.

-Spending. The prescription drug benefit program, the 2005 highway bill, the bailout. These are all very liberal programs.

-Immigration reform

-Bush's return to Keynesian economics during our current economic fiasco is, in my opinion, decidedly liberal and probably his largest mistake as president

Now, Bush certainly has his conservative leanings (aside from religion, which in my opinion can infiltrate into both sides)....his push to privatize social security would have been one of the greatest achievements in conservatism had he been successful.

Some would call the Iraq war conservative, others not. Certainly if we define conservative as modeling the ideals behind the constitution, then muddying ourselves in a foreign mess would not fit the conservative mold, neither would WWII. I certainly fall on the conservative side and I fully agree with the war, so I suppose based solely on me (if I can be so humble), we'll call it conservative for the sake of this discussion.

 

Your not stepping on my toes. Carry on. The liberals will not see the liberalism of GW no matter how you explain it to them. They are content to say that GW is the death of conservitism. Far from the truth. GW was in no way the conservitive choice, except for tax cuts and the war on terror. Almost every other aspect of GW's administration was liberal. But liberals don't understand what liberal is. Really sad. They will learn in the next four years... lets see if they can keep up.......

 

That's fkin funny!

 

Here's the new "Bush Collector's Plate"

 

So tell me where I am wrong on my statements? you frank, screw, drew, habibi, and 4.6 call names and make smarmy comments, now back it up. Tell me where bush was such a great conservitive? Or republican for that matter. He has the same problem his dad did... he tried to get along with the democrats. It failed. Like almost all of democrat ideas. To say bush took away your rights is amazing. Almost all of the opressive laws with government in our face telling us what we can or can't do (seatbelts, helmets, tax laws, zoning laws, you name it)

 

Hey, Chris, are you a member of the John Birch Society---if not , you should be...as long as I can remember, I really cannot say that I have read much from you that is actually positive about the US of A. Nothing but spewing vitriol about how wrong this is, how socialist that is, etc...

If you find so much fault with this country of ours, why IN THE WORLD ARE YOU STILL HERE? PACK UP AND LEAVE IT, CHRIS.

But I seriously doubt that you find anything better. WE are overtaxed, we are over adjudicated, we are over...blah. blah, blah. US of A has its faults, but it is still, by far, the best damn country there is (I know our friends up north can and should take exception to this).

Quit spewing your negativism all of the time, Chris...either that, or put your money where your mouth is, and find a new address, without a United States zip code...

If the US is as horrible as you say it is, and you really have that big of a problem with it, BYE BYE...I have said this before, and I will say it again, Chris, you are truly the happiest when you are the most unhappy.


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Hey ref
How ya doin?

I just have to say, Chris add to the mix around here. This place is the most
entertaining place you can find. Bar none. That is why we keep coming back

 

I re-watched the vid posted. There is a lot of truth to the video. Repetitive History
Proves it.
As far as Bush being a liberal dream, I'm not quite sure.
I did however discover recently, it seems many on this forum and one person in
particular gets their political views from "The Rolling Stone", now that's a liberal
dream. I discovered this while sitting in an office waiting for an appointment
and decided that was the best magazine there for reading. I had not seen one
in years. Low and behold, there were direct quotes in an article about Bush
killing the Republican party, that a fellow member shot me down with on this
forum. I laughed out loud. Everyone around me looked at me like the nut that
I am. At the time I was shot down, I thought this member had a thought on his
own. But after I didn't have time to read all of the article, I actually stole it
and carried it home to study.

 

I'm sure Chris loves this country more than most, he just wishes that we could have the America from a better time. No doubt that America is and always will be the best country on God's green Earth, but it is not the best that she has every been. You said it yourself, we are grossly over taxed, grossly over regulated like Chris said, with seatbelt laws and stuff. My friend has to get $200 worth of permit to work on his own house, its ridiculous.

Government is the problem in most of Americas problem, and B. Hussain Obama is obviously big government. Which doesn't lead myself or chris to believe that America has its best days ahead of itself.

 

The City permits have been in effect here as long as I can remember. Big O
didn't do that.