I just disagree. Studies have concluded that after smoking 1 joint, motor skills are reduced 51% cognitive skills are reduced 45%, after 2 68% drop in motor skills 65% in cognitive skills. And these are tests that were performed in research for the use of marinol (a medicinal drug, which I *had* to take when I was going through chemo therapy for cancer). Before we start debating the THC content of marinol vs a joint, Marinol is the equivalent of a low dose joint or roughly .5g. The study was comparing possible side effects/issues with oral synthetic THC vs smoked marijuana (I guess trying to test the validity of grow your own meds vs being raped by pharmecutical companies).

 

I'm trying to remain neutral . Just when I read MT brag that weed has 0% chance of harming you in anyway, I had to look it up.

I don't do the stuff myself. The biggest thing I've noticed from being around other people that do it, is that every single one of them have gone on to do worse drugs.

 

I guess thats when we agree to disagree.

Its not simply because I am a pot head. The medical reasons I have, and the patients I have seen seem to clearly benefit from cannabis like no other medicine known to man. This is something that is very close to me. A fight I personally join in, and am a part of, for sometime now. Trust me, do some of the things I have, see some of the things I have, might change yout tune. Then again, YOU may not !

Anyways, come join me in my section on the other forum. Glad to talk this over in detail !

 

What type of cancer? I was fortunate to have testicular, and not have to do chemo...I was 25 at the time.

Oh yeah, MT will ignore the numbers...anything that proves weed to be bad is anti-weed propaganda. Sorry but I am enjoying poking him with an internet stick

 

I am not sure as to what forum you are reefer(ing) to...

 

I'll just quote that again.

 

Hodgkins Lymphoma Stage 4 which is actually in the same family of cancers as testicular, just starts and spreads in the reverse direction. Went through 9 months of chemo, 6 months radiation, had spleen taken out, and topped it all off with a "Stem cell" transplant (sort of the upgraded version of a bone marrow transplant.) Diagnosed when I was 24.

Anyway, wouldnt trade the experience for anything in the world.

 

Shoot her. Can't breathe can't toke.

On a serious note it's a sad thing to see. I lost my best friend to drugs. He went in and out of rehab 8 times at the last point I talked to him. After i gave him a roof over his head and he stole from me that was it. Anyway it's a hard thing to cope with and the only way your gonna make a difference is if that person really wants to better themselves.

 

You just don't get it Shines. Its alright.

And keep your damn stick to yourself, uniball !

This is my point. I am glad you brought these numbers up. What I am getting across (and yes, over exagerating some) is that "studies" mean ****. Real world life experience accounts for far more. For every study that shows pot as bad and harmful, I can show you equal amount of studies from just as credible sources proving it the other way around.

At one time, government had a study to show second hand smoke kills. Now think about it. How in the world can you scientifically test this ???

I wont argue too much, but marinol is NOT pot. THC isn't the only cannabinoid that creates the euphoria. Many more factors come into play, and these are chemicals left out of marinol. Many other issues surrounding it, but I wont get into it. Comparing it to pot, is like comparing apple and oranges. Not the same.

I wont get into the BIG pharma issues. Thats a whole nother thread !

Anyways, I have been tested. I have done driving tests, sobriety tests, and other tests to test my performance. Not some study I read, but one where I was apart of. I declined 0% after smoking a joint.

Again, real life experience goes a lot farther then internet spew.

Here is a credible source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7098340.stm

But again, I do not advocate driving stoned. Its not being responsible. Smoke at home, in private. Don't coax anyone into smoking. Smoke if you want, share with who want to join. Doesn't cause cancer, can't overdose.... again, nothing wrong.

time for me to get home to burn !
and then continue our arguement.

 

Then I am not arguing with you. I never said it should be illegal, I just said dont do it around me.

I smoked a little here and there in high school and the feeling was the same as when I took marinol, although there were 8 years in between experiences. I felt less cognitive, unable to concentrate, and while my judgement was the same, I felt it was harder to keep track of (loss of thought). These are the reasons why out of a perscription for 500 pills of marinol, 490 were left. In the end the physical discomfort was far more appealing than the loss of thought.

 

No, she isn't doing the same thing. She isn't drinking alcohol, which is addictive and has been linked to far mroe health problems than pot.
We all depend on something to help us, whether it be cigarettes, unhealthy food, whatever, just some things aren't looked down upon as bad as pot. Heck, even driving creates carcinogens and pollution, in the long run hurting the entire world more than marijuana, but nobody is bitching about that.

 

Seriously now, I am not even a pot smoker, but you're really reaching for a reason to call it bad...

 

So...it causes cancer, but we can't be sure of that. Not to mention that this study doesn't relate how many of the marijuana smokers also smoked cigarettes, so the cancer is kind of out the window. As I stated before, 1 in 3 women and 1 in 2 men contract some type, and I doubt the number of pot smokers is that high. You'll probably get some type of cancer anyway.

Chest colds and respiratory issues I can see (again not saying how many also smoke cigarettes), but again, that's reaching pretty far for a reason to get this girl fired and give her a criminal record to save her from a possible chest cold.

As for the immune system, it is not certain whether or not it has an effect, so why bring it up? That's a pretty inconclusive test.

 

No, we do not all depend on something to help us...healthy people live healthy lifestyles, and do not have to "lean" on things to continually help us get through the day...but---if you want to be precise, I guess my riding a bike---whether it be indoors or outdoors, in a HEALTHY MANNER relieves tension, lowers cholesterol, lowers my pulse rate, lowers my weight, and MAKES ME A BETTER, HEALTHIER PERSON is much better than smoking a few doobies every now and then---even you have to agree to that, don't you?

TSC

 

I do, but on the same note, can you honestly say that you have absolutely no unhealthy habits? Do you not drive a vehicle, eat unhealthy things from time to time, anything at all? If not, kudos, if so, kudos anyway, you're human.
Point is, we all have vices. Not every single thing that anyone does is healthy, regardless of how large or small of a thing it may be.
Depend may have been too strong of a word, seeing as nobody is actually physically dependant on pot, so depend is not what I should have said. "Like" is a better word for the application. We all have some unhealthy things that we may like.