Israeli bombing protests
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Jews may reject the Christ when He first came, but they are looking for Him to come...which would be the Christian second coming. One group completely disregards Christ...the other, looks for Him to come. Now I know that you are going to say that Muslims admit Christ to be a prophet, but they DO NOT admit that He is who He says he is. The savior of man. Jews do, Muslims do not. I am anti Muslim due to their hatred of Israel.
I know I am wasting time with you. But I want to thank you for causing me to research and look to that which has only made my FAITH stronger. For that, I applaud/thank you. See, God even works through Philistines. He has used you to bring me closer to Him through His Word.
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Also, seeing things from a different perspective (ie One which doesnt see any rightful Jewish inheritence to the land between rivers) does not make one a national socialist. Since you obviously dont want to concede that Muslims have just as much right to be there, can I call you a racist toward darker skinned people?
What really makes me chuckle is that both groups reject Christ,... so we will excuse Jews because they are decendents of Abraham? So are Muslims, bud.
What really makes me chuckle is that both groups reject Christ,... so we will excuse Jews because they are decendents of Abraham? So are Muslims, bud.
Muslims believe the Jews changed and distorted the Bible in order to establish themselves as the heirs of Abraham's Covenant blessings. However, they fail to explain how the New Testament clearly teaches that the Covenant was made with Isaac and his descendants.
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I thought this to be an interesting read:
Author Hal Lindsay recently wrote the following:
....This is exactly the situation that continues to develop in the Middle East. The world has been dragged into the ancient conflict between Isaac and Ishmael in spite of its best efforts to stay out of it. This conflict that has raged between these two half brothers for 4,000 years is destined to ignite the last war of the world, according to the Bible prophets.
Muhammad, a descendant of Ishmael, has brought over one billion people on to his side of this ancient conflict through the religion of Islam. From the time he started the Muslim religion, the dimensions of the conflict began to enlarge. When his followers laid claim to Jerusalem as the their third holiest site, the die was cast for Jerusalem to become the trigger of the war of Armageddon, just as the prophet Zechariah predicted 2500 years ago. Zechariah prophesied "Jerusalem would become a burdensome stone for all the peoples" and that "All nations of the earth will be gathered [for war] because of it." (Zechariah 12:3)
We are eyewitnesses to this taking place right now.
The other major spheres of power that will be drawn into this final war are clearly predicted.
Ezekiel predicts that a nation to the extreme north of reborn Israel will become Israel's arch enemy. It will be a nation with a vast arsenal with which it will arm all of the Muslim nations. Russia is the only nation to the extreme north of Israel. And they are descended from the tribe of Magog through the Scythians, just as Ezekiel predicted. God Himself commands this power from the extreme north to take command of the confederated Muslim forces and lead them in an all out attack against Israel. This attack is the first battle of the war of Armageddon.
The Book of Revelation predicts another sphere of power that will enter this war with 200 million soldiers. This power bloc is called "the Kings of the East". They will move into the Middle East and attack once the war has started. The Bible says they will wipe out a third of the world's population.
The fourth power bloc is the Western force led by a revived form of the Roman Empire. Daniel and the Apostle John both predict this power in great detail. It will begin when a great leader springs up in Rome and takes the strongest 10 Nations of the EU and uses them to form his power base.
....This is exactly the situation that continues to develop in the Middle East. The world has been dragged into the ancient conflict between Isaac and Ishmael in spite of its best efforts to stay out of it. This conflict that has raged between these two half brothers for 4,000 years is destined to ignite the last war of the world, according to the Bible prophets.
Muhammad, a descendant of Ishmael, has brought over one billion people on to his side of this ancient conflict through the religion of Islam. From the time he started the Muslim religion, the dimensions of the conflict began to enlarge. When his followers laid claim to Jerusalem as the their third holiest site, the die was cast for Jerusalem to become the trigger of the war of Armageddon, just as the prophet Zechariah predicted 2500 years ago. Zechariah prophesied "Jerusalem would become a burdensome stone for all the peoples" and that "All nations of the earth will be gathered [for war] because of it." (Zechariah 12:3)
We are eyewitnesses to this taking place right now.
The other major spheres of power that will be drawn into this final war are clearly predicted.
Ezekiel predicts that a nation to the extreme north of reborn Israel will become Israel's arch enemy. It will be a nation with a vast arsenal with which it will arm all of the Muslim nations. Russia is the only nation to the extreme north of Israel. And they are descended from the tribe of Magog through the Scythians, just as Ezekiel predicted. God Himself commands this power from the extreme north to take command of the confederated Muslim forces and lead them in an all out attack against Israel. This attack is the first battle of the war of Armageddon.
The Book of Revelation predicts another sphere of power that will enter this war with 200 million soldiers. This power bloc is called "the Kings of the East". They will move into the Middle East and attack once the war has started. The Bible says they will wipe out a third of the world's population.
The fourth power bloc is the Western force led by a revived form of the Roman Empire. Daniel and the Apostle John both predict this power in great detail. It will begin when a great leader springs up in Rome and takes the strongest 10 Nations of the EU and uses them to form his power base.
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Another good quote:
Satan is the god of the Muslims...He is their "moon god".
Christians and Moslems do not simply have two different fathers (Isaac and Ishmael) and two different books (Bible-Koran), but they have two completely different spirits: one brings freedom, the other brings bondage; one leads to life, the other leads to death.
In the Bible we see that God wants us to make the choice (freedom). “I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live” (Deuteronomy 30:19). But according to the Koran, Allah chooses the way for us (bondage). “This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed my favour unto you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam” (Sure 5:3).
In the Bible we see that God wants us to make the choice (freedom). “I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live” (Deuteronomy 30:19). But according to the Koran, Allah chooses the way for us (bondage). “This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed my favour unto you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam” (Sure 5:3).
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Shines, those are much better posts for debate, that is all I was asking. You have
a knowledge of the Bible better than most Clergy I know. I do have a request of you.
Are you up for it? You should not ignore me because I provoke you.
I'm only trying to help. You do not understand how the attitude in the posts that
you have made in the past have a lot of impact on how people perceive religion.
It's not your post that turn people off, it is that when people received their salvation,
that they then forget how the ones that have not received it think. Where as I
have a much better understanding of how all the different sides think. I can tell
you were either raised in the Church or received Salvation at a very early age, I can
only wish for the abilities you have, if I could apply tour knowledge to what I know
as truth, I could help you understand much better on how to convert people.
To add injury to insult. You do not read the Bible with an open mind, you read it
with a superior attitude, and that is what stops non believers from understanding.
a knowledge of the Bible better than most Clergy I know. I do have a request of you.
Are you up for it? You should not ignore me because I provoke you.
I'm only trying to help. You do not understand how the attitude in the posts that
you have made in the past have a lot of impact on how people perceive religion.
It's not your post that turn people off, it is that when people received their salvation,
that they then forget how the ones that have not received it think. Where as I
have a much better understanding of how all the different sides think. I can tell
you were either raised in the Church or received Salvation at a very early age, I can
only wish for the abilities you have, if I could apply tour knowledge to what I know
as truth, I could help you understand much better on how to convert people.
To add injury to insult. You do not read the Bible with an open mind, you read it
with a superior attitude, and that is what stops non believers from understanding.
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God provided many opportunities in this story for redemption of bad situations created mostly out of disobedience and lack of faith. Abraham had agreed to impregnate Hagar at the request of his wife Sarah, even though God had told Abraham and Sarah that they would one day have their own son. To be fair to Ishmael, God provided him a great kingdom of his own "to the east" of his brother, but it was never enough. Ishmael's descendants have always been jealous that Isaac's descendants were able to claim the full inheritance of Abraham.
Muslims believe the Jews changed and distorted the Bible in order to establish themselves as the heirs of Abraham's Covenant blessings. However, they fail to explain how the New Testament clearly teaches that the Covenant was made with Isaac and his descendants.
Muslims believe the Jews changed and distorted the Bible in order to establish themselves as the heirs of Abraham's Covenant blessings. However, they fail to explain how the New Testament clearly teaches that the Covenant was made with Isaac and his descendants.
Ishmael and his Mom were carried out into the desert. Ishmael did receve an
inheritance.
Abraham in his Nomadic ways then spent time with both families. That is where
The *** Among Men got their beginings.
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I see people mis-representing the Bible big time in here.
The Jews have to this point rejected Christ (they killed him), but they are still under the covenant with God from the Old Testament. To this day most Jews are not believers in Christ. God keeps his promises even when we don't. In the future, the Jews will be surrounded by the armies of the world and they will cry out to God for help, and he will answer them. After centuries of unbelief they will recognize him.
Jews are God's chosen people because of a promise to one man thousands of years ago. Christians today are believers in Christ. God doesnt choose who will believe and who will not. Some people believe he picks and chooses but he does not. That is why it is the Christians' job to witness to others and add to the ranks.
Even before I was saved I knew a little bit about Revelations and even if I wasn't a believer now, I would really have my eyes open to how the world is beginning to have mucho disgust with Israel right now for defending itself. Seeing the world react this way is disgusting. They have taken many steps to limit civilian casualties.
Keep in mind the UN has sided with the other countries of the middle east in the past and even the UN schools in Palestine have suicide-bomber posters in some of the classrooms.
The Jews have to this point rejected Christ (they killed him), but they are still under the covenant with God from the Old Testament. To this day most Jews are not believers in Christ. God keeps his promises even when we don't. In the future, the Jews will be surrounded by the armies of the world and they will cry out to God for help, and he will answer them. After centuries of unbelief they will recognize him.
Jews are God's chosen people because of a promise to one man thousands of years ago. Christians today are believers in Christ. God doesnt choose who will believe and who will not. Some people believe he picks and chooses but he does not. That is why it is the Christians' job to witness to others and add to the ranks.
Even before I was saved I knew a little bit about Revelations and even if I wasn't a believer now, I would really have my eyes open to how the world is beginning to have mucho disgust with Israel right now for defending itself. Seeing the world react this way is disgusting. They have taken many steps to limit civilian casualties.
Keep in mind the UN has sided with the other countries of the middle east in the past and even the UN schools in Palestine have suicide-bomber posters in some of the classrooms.
to interject with your post. I also think Zechariah had a little to say on this subject.
I don't have time to look it up now. But the verse I'm referring to says
"I will bring them into the fire, I will refine them like silver, I will test them like
gold, I will say, "These are my people". They will say "He is our God".
At least I think I have the right book. I've tried time and time again to memorize
the verses and numbers, but my mind works in a different way.
Again thanks this debate needed fresh blood. I hope you hang around, as most
do not even care to debate about this subject.
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You almost nailed it Tumba.
I don't think it's the superior attitude that stops non believers from understanding, it's just that attitude is so off-putting that it sends us running for the hills, and makes us not even want to try and understand.
It's the smugness and constant condascenting tone that just makes you say to yourself "what an ahole, why would I want to be an ahole too?"
It's like if you open a fancy restaurant, and you hire some rude ***** to be your host.
Instead of making the customers feel warm and welcome, the host is chasing them away with rude comments and insults.
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My take on the above quote:
You almost nailed it Tumba.
I don't think it's the superior attitude that stops non believers from understanding, it's just that attitude is so off-putting that it sends us running for the hills, and makes us not even want to try and understand.
It's the smugness and constant condascenting tone that just makes you say to yourself "what an ahole, why would I want to be an ahole too?"
It's like if you open a fancy restaurant, and you hire some rude ***** to be your host.
Instead of making the customers feel warm and welcome, the host is chasing them away with rude comments and insults.
You almost nailed it Tumba.
I don't think it's the superior attitude that stops non believers from understanding, it's just that attitude is so off-putting that it sends us running for the hills, and makes us not even want to try and understand.
It's the smugness and constant condascenting tone that just makes you say to yourself "what an ahole, why would I want to be an ahole too?"
It's like if you open a fancy restaurant, and you hire some rude ***** to be your host.
Instead of making the customers feel warm and welcome, the host is chasing them away with rude comments and insults.
I've always found it quite amusing that after thousands of years, and these writings have been interpreted so differently by so many people, that someone can come along and be so sure that they have the only proper interpretation. And anyone that thinks English is absolute is clueless.
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Please tell me more.
I'm very much in agreement here. I can't comprehend how people don't understand.
They get missiles lobbed at them, and are expected not to put a stop to it.
The Seven Day War comes to mind.
That statement just blows me away.
I would like to know much more on this one.
But i guess it speaks for itself.
They have taken many steps to limit civilian casualties.
They get missiles lobbed at them, and are expected not to put a stop to it.
The Seven Day War comes to mind.
Keep in mind the UN has sided with the other countries of the middle east in the past and even the UN schools in Palestine have suicide-bomber posters in some of the classrooms.
I would like to know much more on this one.
But i guess it speaks for itself.
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My take on the above quote:
You almost nailed it Tumba.
I don't think it's the superior attitude that stops non believers from understanding, it's just that attitude is so off-putting that it sends us running for the hills, and makes us not even want to try and understand.
It's the smugness and constant condascenting tone that just makes you say to yourself "what an ahole, why would I want to be an ahole too?"
It's like if you open a fancy restaurant, and you hire some rude ***** to be your host.
Instead of making the customers feel warm and welcome, the host is chasing them away with rude comments and insults.
You almost nailed it Tumba.
I don't think it's the superior attitude that stops non believers from understanding, it's just that attitude is so off-putting that it sends us running for the hills, and makes us not even want to try and understand.
It's the smugness and constant condascenting tone that just makes you say to yourself "what an ahole, why would I want to be an ahole too?"
It's like if you open a fancy restaurant, and you hire some rude ***** to be your host.
Instead of making the customers feel warm and welcome, the host is chasing them away with rude comments and insults.
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Carefull there, you'll be condemned for giving an Internet moron justification.
Faith Makes a person's belief strong, unfortunately it adds arrogance to
many.
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Someone mentioned above how the Palestinians have the right to the land also. Keep in mind God gave the land to the Jews, but all throughout history they have lost it from non-belief. They lost it so many times are regained it so many times in the old testament that it is almost comical.
The Muslims forget that their religion didnt even exist until about 400 AD. There is much doubt as to whether or not the man even existed. I have always found it interesting that the writing style of the Bible has been much copied in the Koran. If you are wondering why the Muslims hate the jews so much, remember that it states to "not make friends with Jews or Christians" (funny how the devil hates those 2 groups, isnt it). And that those that are "not to be converted are to be killed."
Makes it easier to understand their hatred of America and Israel when this is remembered. Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews and the Muslims are trying it again, they just dont have the firepower or the will to try it, yet.
The Muslims forget that their religion didnt even exist until about 400 AD. There is much doubt as to whether or not the man even existed. I have always found it interesting that the writing style of the Bible has been much copied in the Koran. If you are wondering why the Muslims hate the jews so much, remember that it states to "not make friends with Jews or Christians" (funny how the devil hates those 2 groups, isnt it). And that those that are "not to be converted are to be killed."
Makes it easier to understand their hatred of America and Israel when this is remembered. Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews and the Muslims are trying it again, they just dont have the firepower or the will to try it, yet.
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Someone mentioned above how the Palestinians have the right to the land also. Keep in mind God gave the land to the Jews, but all throughout history they have lost it from non-belief. They lost it so many times are regained it so many times in the old testament that it is almost comical.
The Muslims forget that their religion didnt even exist until about 400 AD. There is much doubt as to whether or not the man even existed. I have always found it interesting that the writing style of the Bible has been much copied in the Koran. If you are wondering why the Muslims hate the jews so much, remember that it states to "not make friends with Jews or Christians" (funny how the devil hates those 2 groups, isnt it). And that those that are "not to be converted are to be killed."
Makes it easier to understand their hatred of America and Israel when this is remembered. Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews and the Muslims are trying it again, they just dont have the firepower or the will to try it, yet.
The Muslims forget that their religion didnt even exist until about 400 AD. There is much doubt as to whether or not the man even existed. I have always found it interesting that the writing style of the Bible has been much copied in the Koran. If you are wondering why the Muslims hate the jews so much, remember that it states to "not make friends with Jews or Christians" (funny how the devil hates those 2 groups, isnt it). And that those that are "not to be converted are to be killed."
Makes it easier to understand their hatred of America and Israel when this is remembered. Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews and the Muslims are trying it again, they just dont have the firepower or the will to try it, yet.
first claimed the promise land. If you follow the time line of Biblical history, It
kinda seems like he laid his claim, and ran the farmers off of his property,
thus creating the famine that led him into Egypt. But as I said that is my
imagination at work, And it does fit the description of his travel to Egypt.
There are plenty of words to be attacked about in a statement like that.
I trust in the fact, as dumb as it sounds. I'll receive flak on that one.