That’s not entirely true. While it is true for someone to move up to be qualified. Education had little to do with as you see rarely anyone in the union with a college decree. If education was a major factor then all union members would have college decrees.

In any regards, while someone may have to be qualified to “begin with” once they are in a position they are basically there until an act of congress removes them. Therefore, by your argument, you could say a union worker is much more susceptible to subpar work, and poor quality compared to a non-union worker who must continually prove their worth to keep their position.

In general, you will find your best quality goods manufactured, built, made etc by NON-union workers such as Toyota etc…

Same goes for electrical, construction, or any other type of work or trade, non-union workers will generally outperform their union peers because they are NOT guaranteed position due to seniority. As per testing, that’s not a great subject to bring up because I have seen many union test were I work and your only talking a passing score 70% for test that an 8th grade student could pass for general mathematics etc.

You would also be surprised at how many of these people can’t ever calculate a percentage from a number if the calculator doesn’t have the % button for them…

However, that’s not just union workers, but workers in general. My point being when it comes to education a union worker is no better or worse then a non-union worker. When it comes to quality the non-union worker beats the union worker the vast majority of the time…

Unions are great because they do get their members some excellent benefits but they are working them self’s and benefiting themselves right out of a job. Just about any job a union worker can do a worker in China, Vietnam, Mexico or any other country can do just as well in less time for much less money and that is exactly where those jobs will be 10 – 15 years from now. Manufacturing, unless high mix, low volume, will be done in another country and not in America, get use to it because that’s the new way of life…

 

You hijacked your own thread from the very first post by bringing up the Bush administration and blaming them for the problems of the Big 3 as well as the "UAW" bashing.

Good to see that the union did such a good job educating you.

 

I feel sorry for you if and when the Little 3 fail and you end up having to come work among us common folk. You may end up taking a lot less than a 15% wage cut.

 

Here we go with the lump all union people together crap.

I am a United Steel Worker and a republican. I have a college degree and am not lazy. I work in a unionized chemical plant in Michigan that requires a minimum of 1 semester of college chemistry, physics, and algebra. No you do not have to have a degree but you certainly do need to be educated.
We have a multi layer pay scale that pays you your rate according to the difficulty and or technicality of you job.
We are a world wide silicone company with plants in china, japan, Brazil, England and a couple other places I cant think of at the moment. We are the only union plant this company has and we are the preferred plant for most manufacturing and processes. Thanks to our bargaining most other plants receive pay similar to what we get here. If we weren't union none of us would get the wage we do. Also I feel I am worth the 20 something an hour I make for my ability and the fact that I am working around materials that could most definitely kill me and level the town in which our plant is located.
Oh, and we are being effected by this down turn in the economy, and we have been forced to make concessions for the good of the company or so they say.

Anyhow, just throwing my 2 cents out there because I get sick of hearing everyone blame the unions for all that is bad.

BOO HOO, I think most people would be happy to make the 70-80k I make.

Sled...

 

Since this thread went from a place for MY former co-workers to come in and voice their opinions,to a thread of jailhouse politicians trying to solve the economic crisis, this will be my last post to this thread since I can't delete it. I went to work for ford when I was 21, when I was 22, I bought my home, at 23 I bought my first ever brand new truck, which I ordered, took 2 days off work to hand sand and follow through the paint process. Damn, I was proud of that truck. I never in my life would have accomplished any of it if it wasn't for landing that job, because I was a jack *** in school, more worried about chasing skirt and having a good time than I was tomorrow. When the plant closed, I took my buy-out money and lived off it while I went to welding school to chase my next career..which I thought long and hard about and decided it would be something recession proof....industrial plants need maintnance, so here I am. If you disagree with the union, thats fine , unions aren't the same in VA as they are up north ,or anywhere else for that matter, they represent something better because Va is a right to work state, they represent a higher standard here. Earlier today during my back and forth marathon, was at the back side of 12 hour shift and mid point through a 12 pack of coors light. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, I voiced mine and it spread like wildfire. I have just short of about 1.5million trucks under my belt over 9 years...theres a pretty good chance that I "BUILT YOURS TOO" .If you look at the very first post in this thread ...not one single person quailified to say a damn thing, not one single person could provide a valid pay drot...As you can see I am not a big "poster" Ive been on this site longer than most of you and only have 25 or so posts. Go argue with your wife man, Im not here to bitch and moan , only to provide a point of view that majority of you have absolutely no clue about......this site is about FORDS, F150's to be exact, if you wanna shout free trade and jump all in the imports corner, they have sites for that..Im gonna close with, "Sell your ford, you don't deserve to drive it"....

 

Nope, mine is from Kansas City.
What do I have to do to deserve my truck that I paid for? Join a union?

 

This is what's going to happen. Either the Detroit 3 will get loans and survive for a few months before they go bankrupt, or they don't get loans and go bankrupt right away.

The industry and economy is too weak for them to recover in time to prevent going under.

Can Ford, GM, and Chrysler remove the Unions all together if they restructure?

 

Gee, with your astounding ability to reason and defend your position, I would never have guessed.

Would you like a cookie?

So the only people who can comment on unions are people who belong to unions? Arrogant much?

Are you kidding us!? Your 'very first post' was nothing but bitching and moaning!

You're free to express your point of view, you should allow others to do so as well. Just because most people disagree with you doesn't mean they're all stupid, ignorant, jealous, etc.

Just like a union guy to take everything he can get from something, and give as little back as possible.

First, nobody ever said anything about jumping in the imports corner. What was said was that many foreign manufacturers do not have unions, and their quality is excellent.

Second, knowing that if I buy another F-150 I won't be supporting your excessive paycheck any longer, will make me feel much better about my decision.

- NCSU

 

Here we go again with this "It's Bush's fault" that the auto industry has been in free-fall for 25 years, the banking industry is full of corrupt managers, the public's sense of moral standing is spiraling out of control, and the housing market sucks. Some people should not be allowed to participate in political discussions

 

Another man loses his job!
Let's kick him a little harder, he's still moving

 

Yeah, I wish someone would give me $150,000 in buyout money. That would give me time to start making my union contacts to get me another union job so I can torpedo that company as well.

 

You must have missed this....

- NCSU

 

Yes I missed that, I just hate what is happening to our Country.
But change is always inevitable.