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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 10:46 AM
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so what happens when I steal your gun and kill someone with it?
That would have to ruled a suicide.

"Yep, he done went and shot himself in the back of the head...five times.'
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:03 PM
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lmao raoul

wow hersh, you's wetodded.

i know nothing about tx gun problems, but i say let them mexicans thin themselves out... it might balance out with the amount of illegals making it here daily.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Let me tell ya a bunch of yokels in the hills with their 12-guages, and 50 cals, wouldn't stand a chance against the "government" if they decided to come take their guns (or whatever else).

Not with all the M-1 Abrams, M-2 Bradleys, F-15's, F-22's, etc... we have in the military.
The ideology that you can protect yourself from the "government" anytime since World War I, is insane logic. You'd just die with your gun in your hand.

But, if it means that much to you...
Someone needs to inform the Insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan that they don't stand a chance against the US so they may as well give up.

Sure, lets say that somehow the entire US military was brainwashed and began to fight the "capitalist rebels".

If the "capitalist rebels" consisted of even a quarter of the US population they could cause some serious headaches for the military.

To think that you served in the Military and suggest that we all shouldn't die protecting our freedoms and rights?

Surely that's not what you were implying.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by efuehrin
so what happens when I steal your gun and kill someone with it?
It'd mean the investigation would start with me. It wouldn't make me guilty...

If your gun gets stolen, you'd better darn-well report it.

But, since I'll never be President, no worries for you gun toters...
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
It'd mean the investigation would start with me. It wouldn't make me guilty...

If your gun gets stolen, you'd better darn-well report it.

But, since I'll never be President, no worries for you gun toters...
Hersh, at least you realize you can't straddle the fence well enough to be Pres.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:27 PM
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I think some of you are missing the point when you say that you have your guns, and no one can take them away. You're right. An ATF raid party is probably not going to come after your .30-.30, or even your 9mm. However, there are more sneaky ways to push an agenda. Remember what I posted about ammunition? You can have all the guns you want, but where you gonna get the ammo?

Did you know that the Commerce Secretary has to approve of the specific importation of specific models of firearms and ammo from specific countries? There is no legislative process, no judicial process, just a presidential appointee saying nope, can't buy that anymore.

As far as the supreme court, my interpretation of liberal and conservative may be different, however, even the current liberal justices are more apt to protect the Constitution than a radical leftist from the 9th CCoA That this yahoo aligns himself with.


Also, Hersh, the assault weapons ban did not outlaw private ownership of AK-47's That was not even it's intent. As a matter of fact, unlicensed ownership of AK-47's have already been illegal courtesy of the National Firearms Act. All the assault weapons ban did was drive the cost of magazines up, make people buy rifles without flash supressors, and bayonet lugs. Because obviously, people are being bayoneted to death on a regular basis.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:27 PM
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Hersh, at least you realize you can't straddle the fence well enough to be Pres.
I pity the fence.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
I pity the fence.
Definitly have to be well built!
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by efuehrin
Someone needs to inform the Insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan that they don't stand a chance against the US so they may as well give up.

Sure, lets say that somehow the entire US military was brainwashed and began to fight the "capitalist rebels".

If the "capitalist rebels" consisted of even a quarter of the US population they could cause some serious headaches for the military.

To think that you served in the Military and suggest that we all shouldn't die protecting our freedoms and rights?

Surely that's not what you were implying.
No, it's not what I'm implying. I'm saying exactly what I mean- no hidden message in there. What I mean is, if a band of yahoo's banded against the "elected" United States Government, and they sent the military in to get them, they'd be taken- no doubt.

Besides, it seems the only thing people ever worry about going to war with the government over is the right to bear arms. I doubt we'll have a civil war in this country over that. Not many would be truly willing to die to keep their pea shooter anyway. I don't own a gun, I don't see a need for it. So, if the constitution was overturned, and they started collecting guns, it wouldn't bother me- as long as they took them from peaceful people, and the criminals too... But, again- that will never happen. You'll never lose your right to bear arms. A president can't take that right from you...

And, yes- if we took the gloves off, and went into Iraq kicking names and taking ****- the war would have been over long ago. There'd be no real insurgency, and the rebuilding phase would be well underway by now...

If we'd taken the gloves off in Vietnam, that war would have been over in 8 months- not 8 years. But, when politicians direct a war effort, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq are the results you get.

When the military directs the war, especially with today's technology, its over swiftly and decisively.

See Desert Storm: 1991... That's what can happen when we take the gloves off.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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hersh, thats the same problem we have with our elite agencies like fbi cia and whatever offsprings they have. hands tied.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by akheloce
o, Hersh, the assault weapons ban did not outlaw private ownership of AK-47'shat was not even it's intent. As a matter of fact, unlicensed ownership of AK-47's have already been illegal courtesy of the National Firearms Act. All the assault weapons ban did was drive the cost of magazines up, make people buy rifles without flash supressors, and bayonet lugs. Because obviously, people are being bayoneted to death on a regular basis.
Yes, I know...

I think the only reason the ban/restrictions on magazine capacity came up, was after that fool gunned down those kindergarten students in California, and he had a 50-round bannana clip or some other high capacity magazine.

What's the max now? 20-rounds? If you know what you're doing, you can drop a magazine, and pop in a new one in 3-5 seconds.

I know they still sell assault rifles, and they haven't been banned. I just held one (AR-15) months ago at Academy in Plano. I don't need (or want) anything like that in my house, and I am well-trained on that model.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
No, it's not what I'm implying. I'm saying exactly what I mean- no hidden message in there. What I mean is, if a band of yahoo's banded against the "elected" United States Government, and they sent the military in to get them, they'd be taken- no doubt.

Besides, it seems the only thing people ever worry about going to war with the government over is the right to bear arms. I doubt we'll have a civil war in this country over that. Not many would be truly willing to die to keep their pea shooter anyway. I don't own a gun, I don't see a need for it. So, if the constitution was overturned, and they started collecting guns, it wouldn't bother me- as long as they took them from peaceful people, and the criminals too... But, again- that will never happen. You'll never lose your right to bear arms. A president can't take that right from you...

And, yes- if we took the gloves off, and went into Iraq kicking names and taking ****- the war would have been over long ago. There'd be no real insurgency, and the rebuilding phase would be well underway by now...

If we'd taken the gloves off in Vietnam, that war would have been over in 8 months- not 8 years. But, when politicians direct a war effort, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq are the results you get.

When the military directs the war, especially with today's technology, its over swiftly and decisively.

See Desert Storm: 1991... That's what can happen when we take the gloves off.


bye I'm done here.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Klitch
hersh, thats the same problem we have with our elite agencies like fbi cia and whatever offsprings they have. hands tied.
See, we can agree on something...
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by efuehrin
bye I'm done here.
OK, talk to you later...
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
In Arizona, at least when I was out there (1990 - 1992) you could walk aroudn with your gun on your hip. The only place you couldn't wear it was into a bank, or place that sold alcohol and tobacco. I'm sure there were a few more restrictions, but those are the only ones that come to mind.
WA state has an "open carry" law too.. Don't even need a concealed pistol license.. You can walk around with a 45 strapped to your hip in open view and be legal. Yes, there are restrictions where you can go with that gun on your hip, but for the most part, you can do it here too..... And WA state is one of the most Liberal states around... Well, let me say that KING CO. has all the Liberals that basically govern the rest of the state because of it's population compared to the rest of the state, but I digress.....
 
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