Why McCain/Palin?
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I am always amazed when people talk about what others (in this case- candidates) are more or less likely to do. None of us knows what Obama/McCain will do. Hell, I don't even know which way I will drive to go home, so I can't possibly know what anyone else will do. But, I do know when you think about debating or in this case, campaigninig, what is the fundamental thing you must have in order to spark a debate?
Differences.
Differences on just about every talking point are required, because if it's not present, then why take one side over the other? Why vote for person B, if person B believes the exact same thing as person A? So, they have to spout differing opinions, even in the face of clear thinking.
Case in point, Iraq: Now, for months I've heard Obama talk about pulling the troops out of Iraq. It looks good on paper, and sounds good coming out of his mouth- but once he gets into office, he's not going to be able to take that stance and make it happen because if he does- there will be hell to pay. There will be Hell to pay because Bush lept before he looked, now we've been sprayed by the skunk that is the War on Terror, and no amount of tomoato juice is going to get the smell out.
We can't leave for a few reasons. 1.) Turkey is just itching to overrun Iraq, now that they have no real military and no stable government to defend themselves. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands could die if Turkey invaded Iraq.
The faction is Iraq. If we, the stabilizing force in the region, were to suddenly leave, Iraq would probably collapse into civil war. Hundreds of thousands could die. Because we started this mess in the first place, the blood of all those would-be slain people woudl be on America's hands.
That is why I think when Obama tkes office, he'll change his tune on Iraq.
But, there's more to America and Americans that the war on terror. I can't risk throwing a vote at a Republican, and end up with 4 more years of the last 8 years. I'd rather take a chance on change, even if the possibility exists that that change may hurt a little, before it helps. We can't keep doing the same things when clearly it isn't working...
Differences.
Differences on just about every talking point are required, because if it's not present, then why take one side over the other? Why vote for person B, if person B believes the exact same thing as person A? So, they have to spout differing opinions, even in the face of clear thinking.
Case in point, Iraq: Now, for months I've heard Obama talk about pulling the troops out of Iraq. It looks good on paper, and sounds good coming out of his mouth- but once he gets into office, he's not going to be able to take that stance and make it happen because if he does- there will be hell to pay. There will be Hell to pay because Bush lept before he looked, now we've been sprayed by the skunk that is the War on Terror, and no amount of tomoato juice is going to get the smell out.
We can't leave for a few reasons. 1.) Turkey is just itching to overrun Iraq, now that they have no real military and no stable government to defend themselves. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands could die if Turkey invaded Iraq.
The faction is Iraq. If we, the stabilizing force in the region, were to suddenly leave, Iraq would probably collapse into civil war. Hundreds of thousands could die. Because we started this mess in the first place, the blood of all those would-be slain people woudl be on America's hands.
That is why I think when Obama tkes office, he'll change his tune on Iraq.
But, there's more to America and Americans that the war on terror. I can't risk throwing a vote at a Republican, and end up with 4 more years of the last 8 years. I'd rather take a chance on change, even if the possibility exists that that change may hurt a little, before it helps. We can't keep doing the same things when clearly it isn't working...
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Hersh,
I agree/disagree with you. I agree no one know what Obama is going to do because he has done nothing and is rather good at avoiding taking a stance. He claims ~18 months in the Senate. These 18 months started in Jan of 2007. He started actively campaigning in mid-2007. The argument could be made that he started campaigning the night he was elected. So his ~18 months very quickly turns into less than 6 months. He has a fairly sketchy record in Illinois politics and hails from the Chicago political machine, which is infamous for its ability to produce sleazy politicians. His speeches are filled with change rhetoric but have yet to clearly detail what he wants to change and how, for me this is rather important. The only thing that is really well known about him is his ability to surround himself with questionable characters/advisors. IMO this is not something that I want in a President.
McCain on the other hand has a pretty long record in the Senate and is rather vocal on his views. He is also well know for sticking to his guns no matter who it hair-lips. This is the same guy that the Republicans in Congress dislike because he will break party lines when he does not agree with them. Many people also forget the bitter 2000 primaries between Bush and McCain. To say that he is Bush III is just repeating a Democrat talking point because it plays on people's dislike for an unpopular President.
I posted this thread a while back when the primaries were just starting. At that time I agreed with less than 20% of either Hillary or Obama views. I still agree with less than 20% of what Obama says. This compares to close to 70% of what McCain publicly stands for, for me it is a no-brainer.
I agree/disagree with you. I agree no one know what Obama is going to do because he has done nothing and is rather good at avoiding taking a stance. He claims ~18 months in the Senate. These 18 months started in Jan of 2007. He started actively campaigning in mid-2007. The argument could be made that he started campaigning the night he was elected. So his ~18 months very quickly turns into less than 6 months. He has a fairly sketchy record in Illinois politics and hails from the Chicago political machine, which is infamous for its ability to produce sleazy politicians. His speeches are filled with change rhetoric but have yet to clearly detail what he wants to change and how, for me this is rather important. The only thing that is really well known about him is his ability to surround himself with questionable characters/advisors. IMO this is not something that I want in a President.
McCain on the other hand has a pretty long record in the Senate and is rather vocal on his views. He is also well know for sticking to his guns no matter who it hair-lips. This is the same guy that the Republicans in Congress dislike because he will break party lines when he does not agree with them. Many people also forget the bitter 2000 primaries between Bush and McCain. To say that he is Bush III is just repeating a Democrat talking point because it plays on people's dislike for an unpopular President.
I posted this thread a while back when the primaries were just starting. At that time I agreed with less than 20% of either Hillary or Obama views. I still agree with less than 20% of what Obama says. This compares to close to 70% of what McCain publicly stands for, for me it is a no-brainer.
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Hersh,
I agree/disagree with you. I agree no one know what Obama is going to do because he has done nothing and is rather good at avoiding taking a stance. He claims ~18 months in the Senate. These 18 months started in Jan of 2007. He started actively campaigning in mid-2007. The argument could be made that he started campaigning the night he was elected. So his ~18 months very quickly turns into less than 6 months. He has a fairly sketchy record in Illinois politics and hails from the Chicago political machine, which is infamous for its ability to produce sleazy politicians. His speeches are filled with change rhetoric but have yet to clearly detail what he wants to change and how, for me this is rather important. The only thing that is really well known about him is his ability to surround himself with questionable characters/advisors. IMO this is not something that I want in a President.
McCain on the other hand has a pretty long record in the Senate and is rather vocal on his views. He is also well know for sticking to his guns no matter who it hair-lips. This is the same guy that the Republicans in Congress dislike because he will break party lines when he does not agree with them. Many people also forget the bitter 2000 primaries between Bush and McCain. To say that he is Bush III is just repeating a Democrat talking point because it plays on people's dislike for an unpopular President.
I posted this thread a while back when the primaries were just starting. At that time I agreed with less than 20% of either Hillary or Obama views. I still agree with less than 20% of what Obama says. This compares to close to 70% of what McCain publicly stands for, for me it is a no-brainer.
I agree/disagree with you. I agree no one know what Obama is going to do because he has done nothing and is rather good at avoiding taking a stance. He claims ~18 months in the Senate. These 18 months started in Jan of 2007. He started actively campaigning in mid-2007. The argument could be made that he started campaigning the night he was elected. So his ~18 months very quickly turns into less than 6 months. He has a fairly sketchy record in Illinois politics and hails from the Chicago political machine, which is infamous for its ability to produce sleazy politicians. His speeches are filled with change rhetoric but have yet to clearly detail what he wants to change and how, for me this is rather important. The only thing that is really well known about him is his ability to surround himself with questionable characters/advisors. IMO this is not something that I want in a President.
McCain on the other hand has a pretty long record in the Senate and is rather vocal on his views. He is also well know for sticking to his guns no matter who it hair-lips. This is the same guy that the Republicans in Congress dislike because he will break party lines when he does not agree with them. Many people also forget the bitter 2000 primaries between Bush and McCain. To say that he is Bush III is just repeating a Democrat talking point because it plays on people's dislike for an unpopular President.
I posted this thread a while back when the primaries were just starting. At that time I agreed with less than 20% of either Hillary or Obama views. I still agree with less than 20% of what Obama says. This compares to close to 70% of what McCain publicly stands for, for me it is a no-brainer.
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Hersh,
I agree/disagree with you. I agree no one know what Obama is going to do because he has done nothing and is rather good at avoiding taking a stance. He claims ~18 months in the Senate. These 18 months started in Jan of 2007. He started actively campaigning in mid-2007. The argument could be made that he started campaigning the night he was elected. So his ~18 months very quickly turns into less than 6 months. He has a fairly sketchy record in Illinois politics and hails from the Chicago political machine, which is infamous for its ability to produce sleazy politicians. His speeches are filled with change rhetoric but have yet to clearly detail what he wants to change and how, for me this is rather important. The only thing that is really well known about him is his ability to surround himself with questionable characters/advisors. IMO this is not something that I want in a President.
McCain on the other hand has a pretty long record in the Senate and is rather vocal on his views. He is also well know for sticking to his guns no matter who it hair-lips. This is the same guy that the Republicans in Congress dislike because he will break party lines when he does not agree with them. Many people also forget the bitter 2000 primaries between Bush and McCain. To say that he is Bush III is just repeating a Democrat talking point because it plays on people's dislike for an unpopular President.
I posted this thread a while back when the primaries were just starting. At that time I agreed with less than 20% of either Hillary or Obama views. I still agree with less than 20% of what Obama says. This compares to close to 70% of what McCain publicly stands for, for me it is a no-brainer.
I agree/disagree with you. I agree no one know what Obama is going to do because he has done nothing and is rather good at avoiding taking a stance. He claims ~18 months in the Senate. These 18 months started in Jan of 2007. He started actively campaigning in mid-2007. The argument could be made that he started campaigning the night he was elected. So his ~18 months very quickly turns into less than 6 months. He has a fairly sketchy record in Illinois politics and hails from the Chicago political machine, which is infamous for its ability to produce sleazy politicians. His speeches are filled with change rhetoric but have yet to clearly detail what he wants to change and how, for me this is rather important. The only thing that is really well known about him is his ability to surround himself with questionable characters/advisors. IMO this is not something that I want in a President.
McCain on the other hand has a pretty long record in the Senate and is rather vocal on his views. He is also well know for sticking to his guns no matter who it hair-lips. This is the same guy that the Republicans in Congress dislike because he will break party lines when he does not agree with them. Many people also forget the bitter 2000 primaries between Bush and McCain. To say that he is Bush III is just repeating a Democrat talking point because it plays on people's dislike for an unpopular President.
I posted this thread a while back when the primaries were just starting. At that time I agreed with less than 20% of either Hillary or Obama views. I still agree with less than 20% of what Obama says. This compares to close to 70% of what McCain publicly stands for, for me it is a no-brainer.
I'd rather give an untested, uncorrupted guy a chance, than a guy who's spent 20 years in D.C..
That said, I do admire McCain- jut not enough to vote for him.
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I don't understand this line. What's the suprise? Do you not like Biden? He has been in the Senate since Nixon was President.
Why, what's wrong with him? I don't think I have ever seen where you listed the things you don't like about him.
Did you take a look at the link I posted? It is actually sorta interesting.
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For the last three election cycles the dems have gone with the most liberal voting senators to run. This year they are backing the most lib with the third most lib!
I'm voting for McCain because he by far represents my own personal morals and values.
He wants to decrease gov't spending.
He wants to WIN The war in Iraq, then pull out.
He is a true leader in every sense of the word.
If Obama can't make decisions at the state senate level, how can he make decisions at the Executive level of the most powerful country on the planet. (i'm speaking of 130ish "present" votes)
McCain doesn't associate with unrepentant terrorists.
McCain is a war hero.
McCain will not gut the military.
McCain will keep us safe.
McCain will not increase my taxes, no matter how much I make!!!!!
I can go on and on......Is Mc my personal choice for Prez....no, but he's not Obama!
As far as the phsyco libs attacking Palin.....remember you morons.....almost every president we have ever had served as a Governor of a state first. She has more executive expirence than the entire Democratic ticket combined.
Dems are in trouble..............
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I think it's about time we lose that line, she has more EXECUTIVE experience than McCain also, she has more EXECUTIVE experience than the other three combined. Big deal. Do you actually get people to fall for that line?
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Go ahead and say that Alaska's population is to small. Well Alaska provides the US with 20 % of it's oil and gas, it borders Canada and Russia, and it is the largest state. Anyone who can run the state, keep it with a surplus, and have an 80+% approval rating has done something right!!
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If you think that it does not take executive leadership to be an officer in the military your naïve. Oh and he was an officer for 23 years. Thats a shvtload of executive expierence thank you
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guys, guys, guys, you are missing the point the people that are voting for obama mama are living in liberal fantasy land, where obama gets elected and all terrorism stops immediately, no one ever looses a house or job again, we all from the lowly hamburger flipper to the CEO of G.E make the same money, instantly everybody in these United States is in perfect health, all racial tensions fly out the window, and champaign falls from the heavens, we all sit around a non-polluting energy efficient recycled paper picture of a campfire singing kum by ya, while the vulcans land and jump start us into intergalactic space exploration 
EDIT: we cannot sing kum by ya as it mentions "my lord" so it will prolly have to be row row row your boat
EDIT: we cannot sing kum by ya as it mentions "my lord" so it will prolly have to be row row row your boat
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I'd be surprised if the majority of American's actually voted for Barak Obama, a black man, come election day... As far a I'm concerned, all this support he has today is lip-service until the handle gets pulled, and the chads get punched in November. Call me pessimistic.
Is there a test or preparation one can really have before taking the White House? I don't think there is an apprenticeship program or any OJT one can get that truly prepares you for the White House. I mean, we can't say being Governor is adequate preparation. While it worked for Clinton and Reagan (My favorite two Presidents), for Bush Jr., not so much...
I don't think there is a such thing as an honest politician. Not unless they're on their first campaign for any public office. I like Obama because he's closer to the ground that McCain who's been well-off for the last 20 - 30 years. Obama strikes me as a guy who is intimately familiar with what it is like to scuffle and hustle, and I appreciate that.
Biden wouldn't have been my choice. Were I Obama, I'd have asked Clinton to be my running mate. Bill (If possible) or Hillary.
I like McCain, but he's a republican politician with 20 years of Washington D.C. status quo. I'm sick of the status quo- so I can't vote for him. Aside from that, I like McCain- I can't say nothing negative about him personally- other than the fact that he voted against MLK day. That's his choice, not disappointed or surprised bu it- but it does make me say, hmmm...
I don't think there is a such thing as an honest politician. Not unless they're on their first campaign for any public office. I like Obama because he's closer to the ground that McCain who's been well-off for the last 20 - 30 years. Obama strikes me as a guy who is intimately familiar with what it is like to scuffle and hustle, and I appreciate that.
I like McCain, but he's a republican politician with 20 years of Washington D.C. status quo. I'm sick of the status quo- so I can't vote for him. Aside from that, I like McCain- I can't say nothing negative about him personally- other than the fact that he voted against MLK day. That's his choice, not disappointed or surprised bu it- but it does make me say, hmmm...
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I'll be voting for McCain. I think this country needs more than ever a strong leader. McCain is a proven leader. Obama hasn't lead anything including the Pledge of Allegiance. We need someone who is not afraid to step on toes. McCain will step on toes and your head and he doesn't care what party affiliation you are. McCain is for change. He is for using our own resources for energy, develop new nuclear energy, offshore drilling, ANWR, and also using technologies that will yield far better fuel mileage vehicles than we have today. Obama doesn't have an energy plan and frankly, he doesn't have a plan about anything. Obama is an eloquent speaker, no doubt, but he has yet to say anything of substance. I don't need a blow job from the President of the US. I need a person that I can be confident that when things turn bad he'll make the right decision....and present doesn't count. I need a President that the world will respect. McCain is known worldwide for doing exactly as he says. If he says that the US will not tolerate something, other countries are going to listen. Obama apparently can't make a decision about anything and there will be no respect from other nations. I need a President that will give me the environment to make my own way and my own money. Obama is for bigger Government and I don't need the Government to rescue me and I'm not waiting for it either. I also need an experienced President. I don't need a glitzy kinda guy that hasn't a clue about leading this nation. This is the most powerful nation on this planet and I certainly don't need a novice for President.
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I'll be voting for McCain. I think this country needs more than ever a strong leader. McCain is a proven leader. Obama hasn't lead anything including the Pledge of Allegiance. We need someone who is not afraid to step on toes. McCain will step on toes and your head and he doesn't care what party affiliation you are. McCain is for change. He is for using our own resources for energy, develop new nuclear energy, offshore drilling, ANWR, and also using technologies that will yield far better fuel mileage vehicles than we have today. Obama doesn't have an energy plan and frankly, he doesn't have a plan about anything. Obama is an eloquent speaker, no doubt, but he has yet to say anything of substance. I don't need a blow job from the President of the US. I need a person that I can be confident that when things turn bad he'll make the right decision....and present doesn't count. I need a President that the world will respect. McCain is known worldwide for doing exactly as he says. If he says that the US will not tolerate something, other countries are going to listen. Obama apparently can't make a decision about anything and there will be no respect from other nations. I need a President that will give me the environment to make my own way and my own money. Obama is for bigger Government and I don't need the Government to rescue me and I'm not waiting for it either. I also need an experienced President. I don't need a glitzy kinda guy that hasn't a clue about leading this nation. This is the most powerful nation on this planet and I certainly don't need a novice for President.
